New meters in 3.0.2

JPROBERTLA · Post by **JPROBERTLA** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:56 am

Does anyone know exactly what the new meters display? It looks like trim levels, but all of mine (in 10-16 track sequences) never get above about 30%. The sequences have dynamics and sound great.

I also noticed in the master section that they also never get much above 25%. I am wondering if I have the trims set too low; but like I said the sequences have great dynamics, are crystal clear and otherwise sound great! Any comments?

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:10 am

I noticed the same thing and with combi's too... doesn't make much sense to me as I thought I was running everything pretty hot, seems they're virtually useless in detecting clipping unless I've been doing something wrong this whole time. When I set up a combi I normally have at least one program absolutely maxed and like you, never get much above about 30% on the meters. hmmm

stephenuk · Post by **stephenuk** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:37 am

They are based on velocities not volume as such.

JPROBERTLA · Post by **JPROBERTLA** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:46 pm

If they are displaying velocities, what does that really tell you, in terms of how that information would be useful? I have never tried to get it to clip, but I will assign a 127 velocity value to a note and see what happens. But again, I really don't see how this information would be useful. If it is input trim I could see a purpose. If this is the case, all of my tracks are on the low side and that would result in a loss of dynamics, which I am not hearing.

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:06 pm

I have found the meters to be useful on the M3 when having issues with MIDI. You can easily tell if a track is receiving any data. Especially good for external setups.

Rigel · Post by **Rigel** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:50 pm

I thought that as well, those must be velocities, not db's... We have the velocity meter in the velocity zone field of osc main window of hd1 programs, check it out, its cool..

JPROBERTLA · Post by **JPROBERTLA** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:23 pm

I can't imagine all they put a meter there for was to know if the channel is receiving midi info. There are many other easy was to know that. But if it is velocities, then was is a good level? My meters hardly ever get above 30%.

HangoverIan · Post by **HangoverIan** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:21 pm

stephenuk wrote:They are based on velocities not volume as such.

I think they are showing volume levels. For most sounds, volume is dependent on velocity so from that point of view they are indirectly indicating velocity. But the reason I think it's indicating volume is that if you hold down a continously sounding patch, like a string, and drag the trim sliders you'll see the meter level change.
If you're desperate to see your meter levels go above 30%, load up a big sound, like U-C042 Pipes On Sunday, and whack down a load of keys hard and hold it there. Et voila, job done. Lots of green meter level!

JPROBERTLA · Post by **JPROBERTLA** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:34 pm

It's not that I am desperate to get them over 30%, its more that I am interested in knowing exactly what the meters are displaying. If it is input trim, sensitivity or volume than I may be loosing some dynamic range by not having the input trim and/or track volume high enough.

I play in a duo and trio that uses sequences 100% of the time. I have to incorporate dynamics in the sequences because besides my live keyboard part, the drummer (duo) and guitar player (trio) the sequences play everything else.

Lowering trim has a tendency to reduce dynamic range. Without meters that display trim I was always careful to reduce the trim settings in the programs. Maybe I should increase them and readjust the track volumes; but I can only do that if I know what exactly the meters display.

Pedja · Post by **Pedja** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:42 am

Hello,
Great update, thanks to Korg. I have one question: "How to turn off all power meters"? I tried in global setting but I didn't find where it is.
Thanks for all.

stephenuk · Post by **stephenuk** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:09 am

HangoverIan wrote:
stephenuk wrote:They are based on velocities not volume as such.
If you're desperate to see your meter levels go above 30%, load up a big sound, like U-C042 Pipes On Sunday, and whack down a load of keys hard and hold it there. Et voila, job done. Lots of green meter level!

Exactly and thats what velocity is how hard you hit the notes so if you go into the midi editor and change the velocities to 127 you will see much higher velocity meter levels hence them being called velocity meters and not volume meters. Lower or higher velocities also change the timbre of the sound not just the volume piano will sound more muffled pressed softly and synths may sound more filtered as opposed to being sharp and bright. If you want loud just route through the mastering limiter crank the threshold down and you will have 0db heaven

Pedja · Post by **Pedja** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:40 am

Hello,
Great update, thanks to Korg. I have to question again: "How to turn off all power meters"? I tried in global setting but I didn't find where it is.
Thanks for all.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:10 am

stephenuk wrote:
HangoverIan wrote:
stephenuk wrote:They are based on velocities not volume as such.
If you're desperate to see your meter levels go above 30%, load up a big sound, like U-C042 Pipes On Sunday, and whack down a load of keys hard and hold it there. Et voila, job done. Lots of green meter level!
Exactly and thats what velocity is how hard you hit the notes so if you go into the midi editor and change the velocities to 127 you will see much higher velocity meter levels hence them being called velocity meters and not volume meters. Lower or higher velocities also change the timbre of the sound not just the volume piano will sound more muffled pressed softly and synths may sound more filtered as opposed to being sharp and bright. If you want loud just route through the mastering limiter crank the threshold down and you will have 0db heaven

The meters are audio level meters, as described by Korg.
Velocity meters would be pretty useless too as they would be equal for every timbre when playing live on the K keyboard.

ksi · Post by **ksi** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:50 am

SanderXpander wrote: The meters are audio level meters, as described by Korg.
Velocity meters would be pretty useless too as they would be equal for every timbre when playing live on the K keyboard.

Yes, that is how it is written in the new parameter guide (p. 522).

So does full meter level (100%) then mean 0dB?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:12 pm

I would expect so.

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