No, i'm sorry for causing confusion over that. I mistook part of the step edit feature for something else. You cannot move notes out of the 32 not res.bram2000 wrote:This has got me interested...DrHoo wrote:What the other guy is saying really is that the tribe is locked in quantization by default, you can't switch it off but then all tribes were like that. You can however manually move notes via step edit & that shifts individual notes out of time/quantization.
If I'm understanding correctly you are saying that recording notes into the sequencer by hitting the pads will always be quantised, but you can manually nudge notes once they are in the sequencer to move them off the grid? How do you do this?
If that's true it would be music to my ears. Polyrhythms and off-grid note placement were the two things I seriously missed when details started emerging from the first wave of users, but it sounds like they are both in there.
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...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
You can apply any one of the grooves available to each part & they basically add accent &/or expression. There's a lot of adjustability in the depth setting (0-127)roblabs wrote:maybe the groove templates help give a natural time? still waiting for someone, anyone, to demo this...
It's better to have the box & experiment with it, a demo would give some idea but really it's just one of those finer editing tools, a nice feature & should not be overlooked imo.
Certain templates suit certain sounds better than others but the clue of the type of effect to expect is in each ones name.
Example, take a shaker & sequence it to alternating steps, 8 out of 16 over one bar. Apply the groove template named 'The one' & adjust the depth until you get the desired result. What it will do is to add an accent to one beat & then like a fade out & around back to the accent note as the sequence loops. It takes that machine edge off a bit, adds a more natural sound like as if the percussionist is moving the shaker back & forth towards & away from a mic. You can get a similar result by using an lfo with a saw or sine shape & adjusting the time & intensity, it's how i achieved it on my old esx1......You will see/hear my man, all in good time but it is a worthwhile tool & i'm glad to have it on board.
My current Korg gear. MS20 Mini... & now the .... Oh, maybe not !
...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it Roblabs, adding a little finesse to each part has to be a winner but watching demos will only spoil the mystic ! Haha, 
Sorry mate, i'm just not recording stuff right now.
Sorry mate, i'm just not recording stuff right now.My current Korg gear. MS20 Mini... & now the .... Oh, maybe not !
...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
Aha, so that is what Flux mode is. Fair enough, i stand corrected. In my hands, something like that would sound truly s**t...roblabs wrote:Its definitely doable. On the Volca Keys, you can do this with Flux mode. Essentially, its like the step sequencer is removed and the pattern becomes a loop mode for however many bars you set. It records exactly as you play, so nothing is locked into steps.
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Talking about slopiness, I could imagine that you could get very crazy sounding music by applying a groove template on a snare and another template, which does the opposite than the first template, manipulates the playback of a bass drum. So basically one template is very laid back, whereas the other plays the notes a bit earler.
Ahh ok, that's a shame but thanks for the clarification.Ted3000 wrote:I still don't think you can "nudge" things off grid. The sequencer has a beat resolution of 32nd notes, and I think it defaults to 16 notes per bar in step mode. (each of the 16 pads is a beat, just like the EMX/ESX.)
32nd notes are pretty fast in a quick tempo. They're as fast as a snare roll. It should be possible to work in that grid to do almost everything, except maybe create beats that sound like a sloppy schoolkid's first drum lesson. That's a fine streamline to me.
32nd notes are nowhere near fine enough for the sorts of grooves that I like to create using subtle off grid placement. I always prefer creating a groove myself rather than using groove templates, but I'll have to wait and see once I get the machine. If there is a good variety of templates, combined with the 0-127 depth setting then hopefully there will be enough flexibility.
A common example of this technique is where you have a layered snare/clap and nudge one of the layers slightly early to make the groove sound loose.
I've fudged this in the past by pitching down one of the snare/clap samples. That way one of the attacks is delayed slightly in relation to the other. Doesn't work if you want to nudge one of them forward though.bram2000 wrote:Ahh ok, that's a shame but thanks for the clarification.Ted3000 wrote:I still don't think you can "nudge" things off grid. The sequencer has a beat resolution of 32nd notes, and I think it defaults to 16 notes per bar in step mode. (each of the 16 pads is a beat, just like the EMX/ESX.)
32nd notes are pretty fast in a quick tempo. They're as fast as a snare roll. It should be possible to work in that grid to do almost everything, except maybe create beats that sound like a sloppy schoolkid's first drum lesson. That's a fine streamline to me.
32nd notes are nowhere near fine enough for the sorts of grooves that I like to create using subtle off grid placement. I always prefer creating a groove myself rather than using groove templates, but I'll have to wait and see once I get the machine. If there is a good variety of templates, combined with the 0-127 depth setting then hopefully there will be enough flexibility.
A common example of this technique is where you have a layered snare/clap and nudge one of the layers slightly early to make the groove sound loose.
If I'm not listening to music, or if I'm not making music, then I'm probably thinking about music.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad.
There are some different shaped templates on board so you should be able to manipulate those. On is even called 'offbeat', another called 'Oval' plus there's more than enough to have a different one for each part. Add the swing setting & away we go like.bram2000 wrote:Ahh ok, that's a shame but thanks for the clarification.Ted3000 wrote:I still don't think you can "nudge" things off grid. The sequencer has a beat resolution of 32nd notes, and I think it defaults to 16 notes per bar in step mode. (each of the 16 pads is a beat, just like the EMX/ESX.)
32nd notes are pretty fast in a quick tempo. They're as fast as a snare roll. It should be possible to work in that grid to do almost everything, except maybe create beats that sound like a sloppy schoolkid's first drum lesson. That's a fine streamline to me.
32nd notes are nowhere near fine enough for the sorts of grooves that I like to create using subtle off grid placement. I always prefer creating a groove myself rather than using groove templates, but I'll have to wait and see once I get the machine. If there is a good variety of templates, combined with the 0-127 depth setting then hopefully there will be enough flexibility.
A common example of this technique is where you have a layered snare/clap and nudge one of the layers slightly early to make the groove sound loose.
My current Korg gear. MS20 Mini... & now the .... Oh, maybe not !
...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
...Had a few other Korg things over the years.
A 32nd note at 100-140 bpm is pretty fine for the looping 4-bar dance music this thing was designed to create. IF you put 32nd-note hi-hats in a bar, it would sound like a blur of white noise. You couldn't shift a snare a 32nd note early? That would be too much?bram2000 wrote:
32nd notes are nowhere near fine enough for the sorts of grooves that I like to create using subtle off grid placement....
....A common example of this technique is where you have a layered snare/clap and nudge one of the layers slightly early to make the groove sound loose.
So it seems the electribe fails you, but only by a few milliseconds. If your deal is breaking the timing in ways so subtle they're virtually impossible to hear, maybe this isn't the box for you. This thing was built to make 4/4 EDM.
Milliseconds can make all the difference between something that sounds robotic and something that has a good groove and sounds alive. It's the reason why it's common to use very subtle swing settings; you're only moving the notes a few milliseconds and the difference is not always consciously audible but it does make a difference.Ted3000 wrote:So it seems the electribe fails you, but only by a few milliseconds. If your deal is breaking the timing in ways so subtle they're virtually impossible to hear, maybe this isn't the box for you. This thing was built to make 4/4 EDM.
Not a deal breaker, but slightly disappointing.