2014 ELECTRIBE 2 - The positive thread !!!

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:16 pm

roblabs wrote:
Tarekith wrote:I just bought a Volca Keys earlier today and can confirm that I am a member of the sloppy timing club
How do you like it? I don't use its internal sequencer too much. If you midi up a keyboard to it, its great for the price.

It's pretty fun so far, I've just been coming up with cool loops and recording them as audio in Live. Shame there's no way to save patches in it, but I knew that when I got it. Will be interesting seeing how it pairs with the Electribe.

sauce · Post by **sauce** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:55 pm

Tarekith wrote:Shame there's no way to save patches in it, but I knew that when I got it. Will be interesting seeing how it pairs with the Electribe.

Can you save patches in your sequencer?

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:35 pm

sauce wrote:
Tarekith wrote:Shame there's no way to save patches in it, but I knew that when I got it. Will be interesting seeing how it pairs with the Electribe.
Can you save patches in your sequencer?

For both of you, you guys need this to pull it off...but you will tied to the computer: http://www.fabriziopoce.com/volcacontrol.html

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:53 pm

sauce wrote:Can you save patches in your sequencer?

The parameter knobs which have a MIDI CC value attached do get saved into the pattern. I can't remember exactly which ones though since it's different for each Volca. If I remember correctly, neither save the resonance "peak" settings. There's a MIDI guide on Korg's website that shows them all.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:52 pm

I'd like offer some further thoughts to this thread about who i think will benefit the most from this synth. It's just what's going on in my head that's all.

1. People who want to live jam. I think this box is brilliant for that despite its shortcomings a lot of spontanious magic is there to delight the experienced user. That's not to say a novice won't enjoy it either, it would make a great first synth & a great step up from the limitations of the volca world or the like.

2. People who want to get loops down fast & export them to a DAW. It's perfect for that, being able to use a proper bit of hardware & the immediacy of hands-on editing make it a killa drum machine, the drums are very good. If you exported multi tracks to a daw & made a full tune you could still chuck individual track back on the tribe & do some cool manipulation before exporting them again & replacing an existing track in the daw.... The possibilities are big (I think)

For old skool tribe users like me, i'm knda losing interest in it. Yes this is the positive thread but that doesn't mean i should lie. It doesn't keep me there like i imagined it would.
With that said though, all of the good things i have said about it are true, i stand by them. I think though for me this tribe will just be a lap-top lounger for experimenting with my feet up.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:40 pm

Re-Member wrote:
sauce wrote:Can you save patches in your sequencer?
The parameter knobs which have a MIDI CC value attached do get saved into the pattern. I can't remember exactly which ones though since it's different for each Volca. If I remember correctly, neither save the resonance "peak" settings. There's a MIDI guide on Korg's website that shows them all.

Yes, you can motion record all of the knobs except peak into the sequencer to save it. Unfortunately, it doens't remember your OSC type or things like LFO shape, so it still doesn't really work well for saving the sound of things I'm afraid.

Really not an issue for me other than for live use. In the studio it's simple enough to just record a cool loop in Live and move on.

EDIT: The Volca Keys does actually remember the LFO shape as part of the part, oops.

sauce · Post by **sauce** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:51 pm

Tarekith wrote:Yes, you can motion record all of the knobs except peak into the sequencer to save it.

Well that's actually kind of cool, but I was thinking more along the lines of recording sysex data into an off-board sequencer.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:49 pm

We should probably start a new thread for this discussion on the volca keys, before we derail this any further. But certainly there's much room for using Volcas + electribe

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:58 pm

DrHoo wrote:I'd like offer some further thoughts to this thread about who i think will benefit the most from this synth. It's just what's going on in my head that's all.

1. People who want to live jam. I think this box is brilliant for that despite its shortcomings a lot of spontanious magic is there to delight the experienced user. That's not to say a novice won't enjoy it either, it would make a great first synth & a great step up from the limitations of the volca world or the like.

2. People who want to get loops down fast & export them to a DAW. It's perfect for that, being able to use a proper bit of hardware & the immediacy of hands-on editing make it a killa drum machine, the drums are very good. If you exported multi tracks to a daw & made a full tune you could still chuck individual track back on the tribe & do some cool manipulation before exporting them again & replacing an existing track in the daw.... The possibilities are big (I think)

For old skool tribe users like me, i'm knda losing interest in it. Yes this is the positive thread but that doesn't mean i should lie. It doesn't keep me there like i imagined it would.
With that said though, all of the good things i have said about it are true, i stand by them. I think though for me this tribe will just be a lap-top lounger for experimenting with my feet up.

I think my main drive for buying the new 'un is to develop my live skills. Getting a few patterns together, hooking up the audio outputs into my ipad and just pressing record. I was so impressed when i saw what Mistabishi could do on the emx-1 live, it really blew me away. I'm damn sure that he makes it look much easier than it actually is but it'll be fun trying. I'm more into samples too, but i'm wanting to do a bit more on the synth side of things. I dearly love my esx-1, but from what i can see, the new Electribes are more geared towards jamming out live and, due to the omisions that have been talked about in this forum, less suited to the song mode that folks are used to.

sauce · Post by **sauce** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:13 pm

apapdop wrote:I dearly love my esx-1, but from what i can see, the new Electribes are more geared towards jamming out live and, due to the omisions that have been talked about in this forum, less suited to the song mode that folks are used to.

I couldn't disagree more. I have played live electronic music, on stage, since the late 1980's. My first setup was a Juno 106, Alesis HR-16, Yamaha DX-7 and Alesis MMT-8. From that point on, I owned nearly every piece of hardware or software available at the time.. Aside from incredible, vintage, analog synths, some of the pieces *for live use* that has shined out are the Akai MPC-3000 (and other MPC's), Sequential Circuits Studio 440, Roland V-Synth, Elektron Machinedrum, Yamaha RM1X and other "groove" type instruments, because I can replace the 3-meter x 3-meter stage setup that was required during my earlier years with one or two small boxes. That said..

The Korg ESX is the most versatile, most reliable, most comprehensive-for-the-money and most intuitive live instrument I have ever owned. I have played over a hundred shows with *only* the ESX, because I am often limited to a carry-on when I fly to a gig.

For what it's worth, I have never used the song mode on the ESX, even one time. I don't even know how it works.

cooptrol · Post by **cooptrol** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:25 am

Couldnt agree more with you Sauce, and I can say the same for the EMX. The new ones can be good in a different way, but they are just not a better version of the old ones. They miss too much original features, and have a much less direct user interface. May get a second hand and very cheap one some day. But my hopes of substituting the EMX on stage with the new ones are gone fore good.

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:59 am

sauce wrote:
apapdop wrote:I dearly love my esx-1, but from what i can see, the new Electribes are more geared towards jamming out live and, due to the omisions that have been talked about in this forum, less suited to the song mode that folks are used to.
I couldn't disagree more. I have played live electronic music, on stage, since the late 1980's. My first setup was a Juno 106, Alesis HR-16, Yamaha DX-7 and Alesis MMT-8. From that point on, I owned nearly every piece of hardware or software available at the time.. Aside from incredible, vintage, analog synths, some of the pieces *for live use* that has shined out are the Akai MPC-3000 (and other MPC's), Sequential Circuits Studio 440, Roland V-Synth, Elektron Machinedrum, Yamaha RM1X and other "groove" type instruments, because I can replace the 3-meter x 3-meter stage setup that was required during my earlier years with one or two small boxes. That said..

The Korg ESX is the most versatile, most reliable, most comprehensive-for-the-money and most intuitive live instrument I have ever owned. I have played over a hundred shows with *only* the ESX, because I am often limited to a carry-on when I fly to a gig.

For what it's worth, I have never used the song mode on the ESX, even one time. I don't even know how it works.

Maybe if i practised at it more then my views would be different. And yes, i've seen many clips of people using esx's live and produce great results, leaving me saying to myself "i wish i could do that". As i said, those Mistabishi vids of him doing his thing live on an emx blew me away. But for ME, other than muting/unmuting parts, changing patterns on the fly, i find jamming with my esx a bit tricky. From what i've gathered from this forum, reading the manuals and watching the vids, the new ones have several features which would make this ONE aspect of using the machine easier for me.

sauce · Post by **sauce** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:32 am

apapdop wrote:But for ME, other than muting/unmuting parts, changing patterns on the fly, i find jamming with my esx a bit tricky. From what i've gathered from this forum, reading the manuals and watching the vids, the new ones have several features which would make this ONE aspect of using the machine easier for me.

Fair enough. Everyone has their own methods.

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:02 am

sauce wrote:
apapdop wrote:But for ME, other than muting/unmuting parts, changing patterns on the fly, i find jamming with my esx a bit tricky. From what i've gathered from this forum, reading the manuals and watching the vids, the new ones have several features which would make this ONE aspect of using the machine easier for me.
Fair enough. Everyone has their own methods.

I absolutely agree fella. The world is a better place for it.

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:49 pm

I have question about the Event Recorder...

When you are playing back an event file, does the machine still send an analog "Sync Out" signal? Someone said that the event file won't send MIDI Out note data, but I'd still like to know if I can tempo sync all my analog gear to it. I also have a sync/midi clock converter, so it could work with my digital gear as well.

DrHoo, since you have the MS-20 Mini, could you test this out:

Connect a patch cable from the Electribe's "Sync Out" to the MS-20's "KBD TRIG IN." Next go and play event recorder file you have saved. If the Electribe starts triggering notes on the Mini, then that means it will work.

Thanks!