2014 ELECTRIBE 2 - The positive thread !!!

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:24 am

DrHoo wrote:A quote from a person on another forum (Could be cock & bull, dunno )

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Rumours suggest Korg may be extending the bar count in a future update. I can see this working if, say, the bar counter 1 flashes on bar 5, counter 2 flashes on bar 6 etc.
First i've heard of it !

Korg is aware of the need for 8 bars and may do something about it.

It was mentioned in the webinar video here: http://youtu.be/aRWc6QWhYdA?t=40m36s

It is a shame that that on the webinar that while a question was raised about the gap issue and the current update, no question came in stating the the gap was not fixed. The gap issue was treated as if it had been solved, which pretty much sucks!

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:09 am

I missed that webinar video, thanks for sharing. Nice overview of how everything functions.

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:41 am

After watching several videos with the latest system update, I don't hear any kind of gap. A gap is a period of silence that extends the transition between two points.

If you need a visual guide, this is a gap:
111111 222222
The space between 1 and 2 is the gap.

In that current webinare video, he says the gap problem has been corrected. He then says that effects will be CUT off between patterns, but that entirely different than what is actually a gap of silence.

Here's a visual guide again of how the system update sounds:
111111222222

Now compare that to the visual above with the real "gap"

Totally different results. The sound may be CUT from one point to another, but there is NO GAP.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:53 am

Re-Member, i totally concur what you're saying & i think we're all using the word gap as a general discription. Whichever way you look at it though there's an irritating blip & it aint desirable.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:09 pm

Hasn't this been covered before. It's not a gap, it's a glitch and the glitch happens only when one switches between 2 patterns that are using an insert effect on one of the parts.

I have noticed people are forgetting where the glitch comes from. As a reminder, it is an issue when you apply insert effects to your parts on 2 or patterns you switch back and forth on.

Basically it is a "POP" sound, similar to when you are trying to loop a delayed sample that is not timed right...at least that's what I have heard in the demos.

It is not something you will hear all the time in many demos because use of the master effect can sometimes cover or hide that sound. But if your ears are as sensitive as mine and apparently DrHoo's, you'll here it and it will annoy the piss out of you.

eraser · Post by **eraser** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:26 pm

Just wanted to add to the positive thread!

Got mine on Friday and have not been able to take my hands off it so far.

Firstly the sound quality is absolutely fantastic! A huge step up from the EMX-1

I was worried that I was going to feel limited by the few available parameters available, but Korg have been very savvy in setting up the selection of available oscillators in such a way that most routing options (sync, ring mod, octave, etc) are taken care of. Most of your standard sounds can be made from the preset routing options. Would like to see a few more in a future update (specifically some with NOISE waves) but this can currently be worked around by using a noise wave on another channel as there are 16 to play with. It's not a deal breaker by any means. It's also set out in a way that it is just as quick to manipulate sounds as the EMX-1. I feared a lot of menu diving etc, but I was pleasantly surprised at how quick it is to get tweaking!

Having more control over the drum sounds (most of which are already pretty great) is also a huge improvement. You can easily make your own huge sounding kick drums with a synth waveform of your choice, pitch envelope, cutoff filter etc. That's even before you get to the insert effects, my favorite being 'punch' which adds a nice analog style 'snap/thump' to the beginning of any sound you put it on. Other favs are the low EQ (for kicks) and bit crusher (for pretty much anything). Yum!

Sequencer is what it is. I would have preferred they stuck with the old style, but again it is not a deal breaker - it's just another way of inputting the notes.

I haven't checked my OS version yet, but I'm not hearing the gap as much as I was in the early demo's. I also noticed that if you change patterns via the 'pattern set' that there is no gap at all? Maybe my imagination though.

I bought this fully expecting to return it after Xmas and stick with my EMX-1. My plan is now to sell on the EMX-1. On raw sound quality and tone alone, the EMX-2 has the EMX-1 beat. There is also a noticeably 'wider' sound to the EMX-2 - the narrow sound of the EMX-1 always being a niggle for me.

If you are wondering whether to get one, I say go for it. If you buy it online, you can always just return it. I think it's a keeper though.

Thanks Korg!

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:16 pm

eraser wrote:Just wanted to add to the positive thread!

Got mine on Friday and have not been able to take my hands off it so far.

Firstly the sound quality is absolutely fantastic! A huge step up from the EMX-1

Thanks for that review - there's been so much speculation and arguing over the specs, it's refreshing to hear some enthusiasm.

The EMX had a very nice "workflow" (even though I'm starting to hate that term) and a great user interface, but the synth engine was always the weak point (noisy, aliasing, monophonic, medium resolution encoders, etc.) I've owned and sold a few electribes in the past - approaching them as synthesizers that happen to have a drum machine is probably the wrong way.

Now that I've finally come to understand the groovebox-as-performance-instrument approach, Korg went and put a real synth engine in there. (Multiple filter models, low noisefloor, paraphony, high-quality effects) Streamlined, yes, but not compromised in terms of sound quality. An analog synth freak can finally make friends with an electribe.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:33 pm

SMK wrote:Hasn't this been covered before. It's not a gap, it's a glitch and the glitch happens only when one switches between 2 patterns that are using an insert effect on one of the parts.

I have noticed people are forgetting where the glitch comes from. As a reminder, it is an issue when you apply insert effects to your parts on 2 or patterns you switch back and forth on.

Basically it is a "POP" sound, similar to when you are trying to loop a delayed sample that is not timed right...at least that's what I have heard in the demos.

It is not something you will hear all the time in many demos because use of the master effect can sometimes cover or hide that sound. But if your ears are as sensitive as mine and apparently DrHoo's, you'll here it and it will annoy the piss out of you.

I thought the workaround for this he suggested in the webinar was pretty clever. Given I doubt I'll have enough voices free for all 16 parts anyway, seemed totally feasible.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:15 pm

SMK wrote:Hasn't this been covered before. It's not a gap, it's a glitch and the glitch happens only when one switches between 2 patterns that are using an insert effect on one of the parts.

I have noticed people are forgetting where the glitch comes from. As a reminder, it is an issue when you apply insert effects to your parts on 2 or patterns you switch back and forth on.

Basically it is a "POP" sound, similar to when you are trying to loop a delayed sample that is not timed right...at least that's what I have heard in the demos.

It is not something you will hear all the time in many demos because use of the master effect can sometimes cover or hide that sound. But if your ears are as sensitive as mine and apparently DrHoo's, you'll here it and it will annoy the piss out of you.

I just find it to be a restrictive unwanted feature. Patterns will change pretty well if they all have the same settings but if there's only one or two parts playing the blip is terrible.

eraser · Post by **eraser** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:56 am

Ted3000 wrote:
eraser wrote: approaching them as synthesizers that happen to have a drum machine is probably the wrong way.
Hehe - had to comment back because that is *exactly* how I have used the Electribes over the years, so it's not the wrong way at all - just different than most.

I tend to get the initial ideas down on the tribes (without the distractions/effort of booting up the PC!) and then take it to Cubase when I want to progress the song further/add vocals/other synths, etc.

After another evening with the Electribe I can confirm that there is indeed still a little 'click/pop' when changing patterns, even in pattern set mode. As I end up using the tribes more as modules this is less of a concern for me personally, BUT I can see how it would be an annoyance for others.

It's an improvement over the 'gap', but still not right. I'm certain it will get rectified by Korg in the near future.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:41 am

Tarekith wrote: I thought the workaround for this he suggested in the webinar was pretty clever. Given I doubt I'll have enough voices free for all 16 parts anyway, seemed totally feasible.

Wait?!?! Work around? On the Webinar video? I watched that damn thing 3 or 4 times and I don't remember a work around...can you post the time in the video where he mentions or performs a work around? I would like to know.

Thanks!

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:41 pm

He basically said that if you put the same effect on the same part in the second pattern, but don't have any notes on that part, the effect tail won't get cut off when the pattern switches. Haven't ben able to try it myself yet.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:44 pm

Tarekith wrote:He basically said that if you put the same effect on the same part in the second pattern, but don't have any notes on that part, the effect tail won't get cut off when the pattern switches. Haven't ben able to try it myself yet.

It does not work on inserts.

It will work on master effect delays and verbs - but if you have different settings on the effect, the tribe will jump to the new setting.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:09 pm

I think That Luke from Korg wasn't totally up to speed on the machine during that launch video. He was asked at one point to demo groove templates & he showed us the swing setting !... s**t man, even new owners know the difference so you'd expect a Korg rep to be way clued up.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:44 pm

Ted3000 wrote:
Tarekith wrote:He basically said that if you put the same effect on the same part in the second pattern, but don't have any notes on that part, the effect tail won't get cut off when the pattern switches. Haven't ben able to try it myself yet.
It does not work on inserts.

It will work on master effect delays and verbs - but if you have different settings on the effect, the tribe will jump to the new setting.

The point was that you have the exact same settings in the second patterns, so there is no jump, thus no glitch. Obviously not doable with all 16 parts, but if you have just a couple long pads it sounds like it should help smooth things out.