EXs17 Berlin D Piano

AdDeRoo · Post by **AdDeRoo** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:47 pm

Am I right that the announced Berlin D piano is a sampled Bechstein D-282 Grand Piano?

http://bechstein.com/en/upright-and-gra ... d-282.html

I assume since Bechstein is based in Berlin, the Kronos Berlin refers to a Bechstein. And the D-282 is the only model with a D in it..

In that case we'll have a 150000 Euro piano on board of the Kronos...

Look forward to try that one..

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:12 pm

AdDeRoo wrote:Am I right that the announced Berlin D piano is a sampled Bechstein D-282 Grand Piano?

http://bechstein.com/en/upright-and-gra ... d-282.html

I assume since Bechstein is based in Berlin, the Kronos Berlin refers to a Bechstein. And the D-282 is the only model with a D in it..

In that case we'll have a 150.000 Euro piano on board of the Kronos...

Look forward to try that one..

your guess sounds good. we may never know exactly for sure.

I don't recall seeing the price of the Berlin piano for the Kronos.
Was the 150 Euros in a press release ?

Diego5150 · Post by **Diego5150** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:16 pm

When is the Berlin Piano due to be released from Korg?

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:19 pm

Diego5150 wrote:When is the Berlin Piano due to be released from Korg?

"Note: KRONOS System Version 3.0.2 provides nearly all of the features of the new KRONOS, except for the updated sounds and sample libraries. These updated sounds and libraries, including the EXs17 Berlin D Piano, EXs18 Korg EXs Collections, and new Programs and Combinations, are expected to be made available for owners of previous KRONOS models in late January 2015 (price TBD). "

ThunderKeys · Post by **ThunderKeys** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:22 pm

GregC - I believe what AdDeRoo was referring to is the 150 thousand Euro price of that model piano. Not the cost of the EXs17 from Korg.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:41 pm

ThunderKeys wrote:GregC - I believe what AdDeRoo was referring to is the 150 thousand Euro price of that model piano. Not the cost of the EXs17 from Korg.

thank you for that. I am accustomed to the ' comma ' as a separator( 000,000) . I now see the .

AdDeRoo · Post by **AdDeRoo** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:59 am

Indeed, I was referring to the listed price of the real Bechstein D, which is around 150 thousand Euro. If Korg offers the EXs Berlin D piano for 150 Euro/USD I am in..

Seems that Korg then has then realised the Fab4 of the Grand Piano's:
German: Steinway D
Japanese: Yamaha C7
Austrian: Bosendoerfer 290
Berlin D: Bechstein D-282

These are (co-incendentally?) also the 4 grand piano's in the EastWest/Quantum Leap "Pianos Virtual Instrument" sample package...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:38 am

Honestly, I realize they were going for different flavors, but I'm really disappointed by the sound of the Japanese grand. A C7 is one of my favorite grands in real life, but it has a really weird timbre on the Kronos. I don't really like the Boesendorfer either but I haven't played enough real ones to compare.

Oddly, I usually do like the poppier/brighter real grands.
I hope the Berlin D is good, I practically grew up on my middle school/high school (it's one thing in Holland) Bechstein grand!

pedro5 · Post by **pedro5** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:58 am

Pianos and pianos galore……wonderful

.

I'm intrigued with how many piano variations there are,not only "real" ones,but also the sampled or emulated types.
Not been lucky enough to have played many,just a few uprights and basic electronic ones,which in their day were adequate,but most of the better ones were beyond my means.
Things have progressed over time,obviously,so much that since owning the Kronos,my world of piano sounds and playing joy have improved substantially.

Setting aside the problems I have with the SGX German Piano,which is unplayable due to its velocity fault,I'm using the Japanese ones instead,which plays correctly on all keys.
At first I really didn't like them much at all,by comparison to the tone of the German ones,but following many tweaks and various settings,they have become more to my liking.
I have tried most of the other pianos from the sound libraries,but most do not sound correctly, at one point I thought the samples weren't loading properly,but following several installation attempts,I gave up pursuing them further.Perhaps they needed tweaking to my taste..??…which is difficult with a demo version.

It will be interesting to find out how the new Berlin piano sounds,if there's an audition demo available…looking forward in finding out.

Best Wishes.

AdDeRoo · Post by **AdDeRoo** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:29 pm

SanderXpander wrote:I hope the Berlin D is good, I practically grew up on my middle school/high school (it's one thing in Holland) Bechstein grand!

Guess you checked out the mentioned demo of Katsunori UJIIE (if not, recommended - his demos are indeed always good and fun):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG0QJ3bjfqk

He plays the Berlin D there at the start, and that sounds promising to me

AdDeRoo · Post by **AdDeRoo** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:57 pm

For another demo on the Berlin grand, Rich Formidoni is playing it on this video at the start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kawt4o5SmF8

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:02 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Honestly, I realize they were going for different flavors, but I'm really disappointed by the sound of the Japanese grand. A C7 is one of my favorite grands in real life, but it has a really weird timbre on the Kronos. I don't really like the Boesendorfer either but I haven't played enough real ones to compare.

Oddly, I usually do like the poppier/brighter real grands.
I hope the Berlin D is good, I practically grew up on my middle school/high school (it's one thing in Holland) Bechstein grand!

Funny, same here:
The closest grand piano in my reach is an old Bechstein A 184, and to me it still just sounds great after being in use about a century. It has a warm, yet bright and vivid sound.

I also was disappointed of the low quality of the Japanese Grand in the Kronos after first trying to use it: it has not much in common with real Yamahas I know, and I simply removed it soon, because I can't do anything with it.

I do like the Boesendorfer though (it can very well be adjusted for Rock and Electric Jazz sounds with harder attack IMO), and will rather replace the German Grand by the Berlin. Can't wait to buy the Berlin and get it installed!

And yes, it is definitely a Bechstein.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:31 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Honestly, I realize they were going for different flavors, but I'm really disappointed by the sound of the Japanese grand. A C7 is one of my favorite grands in real life, but it has a really weird timbre on the Kronos.

I don't have direct experience with the c7 but owned a U3 upright and played other Yamaha grands . I also felt that the Japanese grand and the slight variations(other Japanese grand programs) fell well short of that Yamaha grand sound.

I used eq to brighten up this piano. It would be great to see if anyone else reprogrammed the Japanese Grand to improve it

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:28 pm

jimknopf wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:Honestly, I realize they were going for different flavors, but I'm really disappointed by the sound of the Japanese grand. A C7 is one of my favorite grands in real life, but it has a really weird timbre on the Kronos. I don't really like the Boesendorfer either but I haven't played enough real ones to compare.

Oddly, I usually do like the poppier/brighter real grands.
I hope the Berlin D is good, I practically grew up on my middle school/high school (it's one thing in Holland) Bechstein grand!
Funny, same here:
The closest grand piano in my reach is an old Bechstein A 184, and to me it still just sounds great after being in use about a century. It has a warm, yet bright and vivid sound.

I also was disappointed of the low quality of the Japanese Grand in the Kronos after first trying to use it: it has not much in common with real Yamahas I know, and I simply removed it soon, because I can't do anything with it.

I do like the Boesendorfer though (it can very well be adjusted for Rock and Electric Jazz sounds with harder attack IMO), and will rather replace the German Grand by the Berlin. Can't wait to buy the Berlin and get it installed!

And yes, it is definitely a Bechstein.

Actually I do kinda agree on the Austrian Grand - I use it fo rock n roll type stuff and dance-compressed pianos and the like. It works well. What I should have said was I can't really enjoy playing it solo. I could do both on every Yamaha grand I've ever laid hands on.

And yeah the Bechstein I played in school (I didn't know enough to care about the type back then) was also nicely bright without losing warmth. I honestly haven't really listened to the demos yet, they always seem of very limited use to me. I won't really know what it's like until I play it anyway.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:40 pm

AdDeRoo wrote:Seems that Korg then has then realised the Fab4 of the Grand Piano's

Some would argue, myself included, that a Fazioli is missing and should be included in any "fab" compilation.

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