Windows 10 is coming....

pedro5 · Post by **pedro5** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:36 pm

Derek Cook wrote:
burningbusch wrote:
GregC wrote: mac for + 15 yrs. Looks like you are on Yosemite ?

I am on 10.7.5 , our mac minis are 4 yrs old.

And yes, many ' beach balls', esp with Safari and video files. I often switch to Firefox which handles video somewhat better.
Wow, I thought it was just me and specific to my computer. I see that all the time going to the finder, searching for files. I'm on 10.8 and looking to go to 10.10 at some point. Looks like it might be safe now as my key applications/plugins now claim to support it. Have to say Microsoft does a much better job minimizing compatibilities between versions. Apple doesn't seem to care.

Busch.
This fix does work for me for a little while. I had hope that Apple would have fixed it by now

http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/13/fix-find ... -mac-os-x/

I knew there was a reason for me to stay with Mountain Lion.....

However,having a multi boot system,I do have access to Mavericks,but it was a clean full installation on a seperate drive,so perhaps I won't have the problems mentioned.
I doubt I shall go onto Yosemite,unless I really have to.....am happy with what I currently use.

Derek Cook · Post by **Derek Cook** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:50 pm

Yeah, sometimes I regret upgrading. Mountain Lion had no problems (that I knew of anyway)

It's still light years ahead of Windoze, though, I am starting to hate WIN8 with a vengeance, along with all the bloatware that HP have installed on the laptop, which I am slowly getting rid off.

Hope that Micro$oft have learnt their lesson with 8 like they did with Vista....

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:45 pm

Win8 sucks, 8.1 is supposedly a bit better. It's certainly fast from what I've seen. But 7 still works great for me!

jmol · Post by **jmol** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:59 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Win8 sucks, 8.1 is supposedly a bit better. It's certainly fast from what I've seen. But 7 still works great for me!

Win8.1 works fine for me. Stable, fast, reliable. OK, you have to get used to this user interface, metro style. I do have touch screens on my laptop and DAW PC, that helps. But the most important thing is smart configuration that suits audio performance, that has not changed.

Yeah, my wish for Win 10 would be Core Audio, I guess, but that certainly will not be the case.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:00 pm

I have windows 7 on my music computer. I had a store build it for me so there is nothing on it that I don't want. It works great.

enigmahack · Post by **enigmahack** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:32 pm

For those of you who weren't aware, Microsoft seems to be following the Tick/Tock cycle that Intel has been following for a while now.

If you're not sure about what that is...

Tick is a new release, new features, and new implementation strategy. Tock is the refining of that process based on user feedback. (Unless vastly warranted, and is pushed up in advance)

If you look at it this way:

Win95 (Tick)
Win98 (Tock)
Win ME(Tick)
Win XP(Tock)
Win Vista (Tick)
Win 7 (Tock)
Win 8/ 8.1 (Tick)
Win 10 (Tock)

You'll notice how all of the "Tick" versions of Windows had something vastly new in them, where the "Tock" versions were a much more stable, refined version.

As long as MS keeps their existing strategy, and based on what I've personally (anecdotally) using Windows 10, it looks like that could be the case. Windows 10 seems really quite decent, so hopefully it's the next tock/stable release that refines the features they've started to implement.

Derek Cook · Post by **Derek Cook** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:51 pm

enigmahack wrote:For those of you who weren't aware, Microsoft seems to be following the Tick/Tock cycle that Intel has been following for a while now.

If you're not sure about what that is...

Tick is a new release, new features, and new implementation strategy. Tock is the refining of that process based on user feedback. (Unless vastly warranted, and is pushed up in advance)

If you look at it this way:

Win95 (Tick)
Win98 (Tock)
Win ME(Tick)
Win XP(Tock)
Win Vista (Tick)
Win 7 (Tock)
Win 8/ 8.1 (Tick)
Win 10 (Tock)

You'll notice how all of the "Tick" versions of Windows had something vastly new in them, where the "Tock" versions were a much more stable, refined version.

As long as MS keeps their existing strategy, and based on what I've personally (anecdotally) using Windows 10, it looks like that could be the case. Windows 10 seems really quite decent, so hopefully it's the next tock/stable release that refines the features they've started to implement.

Interesting theory, and fits with my view that Xp was a bit boring, but stable, Vista awful, WIN7 probably their best and Win 8 is dire. Tick is Sh*t and Tock is what the Tick should have been

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:02 pm

It's commonly agreed that Windows versions alternate between good and bad, but your explanation doesn't hold for their development cycle I think. E.g. XP was actually the "new" version, built on an NT core for the first time, whereas 95/98/ME all share the same roots.

I'm hoping 10 will be good too, I suppose it depends on if you count 8.1 as a full release

enigmahack · Post by **enigmahack** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:35 am

SanderXpander wrote:It's commonly agreed that Windows versions alternate between good and bad, but your explanation doesn't hold for their development cycle I think. E.g. XP was actually the "new" version, built on an NT core for the first time, whereas 95/98/ME all share the same roots.

Yes and no. Microsoft was running a 32bit kernel on their server products a while before XP came out - They had plenty of time to develop their stuff then. Windows NT, Windows 2000, server 2003, etc. were all 32 bit or had 32 bit versions. XP was the first product at "home" however to use the 32 bit kernel yes, so you're correct there.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:42 am

That's what I meant with "built on an NT core for the first time" - first home use version using the NT code base. If you factor in the entire NT/server line the tick/tock idea definitely doesn't fly

Pedja · Post by **Pedja** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:44 am

I used all OS from MS (NT 4 Professional, Server and Advance Server too), except ME. I am not used it in beginners level, but in advance level, and I have to say that Win 8.1 is worst of all. I still have Win Vista x32 in my old notebook for 7 years, and he didn't blocked any time.
For my point of view Win 7 SR1 is a best for various applications (stabile, fast with very good ui). I really hope that Win 10 will be much, much more better.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:52 am

Pedja wrote:I used all OS from MS (NT 4 Professional, Server and Advance Server too), except ME. I am not used it in beginners level, but in advance level, and I have to say that Win 8.1 is worst of all. I still have Win Vista x32 in my old notebook for 7 years, and he didn't blocked any time.
For my point of view Win 7 SR1 is a best for various applications (stabile, fast with very good ui). I really hope that Win 10 will be much, much more better.

Here's your clue

I honestly haven't really used 8/8.1 much, I did notice how quick it was and I thought 8.1 fixed much of the layout issues with 8? Is it also unstable for you?

Still on 7 SR1 here, I agree that it works great!

Pedja · Post by **Pedja** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:27 am

No it's not unstable (I used 8.1 x64 update 2), but it is unstable when you working with USB 3.0 external hard (not usb sticks) disks (specially one or two years old) often lost connection, or have a unstable transfer, which provide movie reproduction, with brakes. Screen saver don't work and etc. .....Many, many bugs and MS didn't clear it in two updates.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:46 am

Right, thanks for the info.
Just to be sure, USB3 is handled mostly by the motherboard drivers, I'm assuming you have flashed the latest BIOS and are running the most current chipset drivers?

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:09 pm

What bothers me most is that Microsoft offers 10 as free upgrade - for one year!

My suspicion is that they first want everybody to switch to OS 10, and then introduce something like an annual fee for using it - like their dirty efforts with Office 360. Since neither Office nor the OS will be able to offer breathtaking new features in the near future, they try to introduce business models forcing customers into lasting dependance with continuous fees, and out of offline computer usage into cloud models.

Both efforts should be competely busted by users as far as possible IMO.