Karma Triggering Audio Loops - Demo

Peas&Carrots · Post by **Peas&Carrots** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:50 pm

EDITED: Previous Post Title was: KRONOS Backing Track - Arranger Style Demo Video!

I've edited this post after comments from another senior forum member - so apologies if you have already seen this.

Trying to find an alternative to RPPR I have recently found a way of triggering backing track sections with Karma which could be useful and provides much needed user interaction. It functions in a similar way as "jump to marker" in a traditional DAW but with audio.

I produced a quick video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSkea-4YRGs

(I'm not playing along but that wasn't really the point of the video plus I'm not an accomplished player anyway.)

The video demonstrates that audio loops can be allocated to the Karma scene buttons which can then be triggered in sync whenever the user wants.

The loops could be simple drum track progressions or arranger style accompaniment. The great thing here is that the user defines EXACTLY what the loops will sound like. The demo only uses 1 Karma module so other 3 are available for Karma generated chord changes etc in the usual manner.

Any comments?

Peas&Carrots · Post by **Peas&Carrots** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:04 pm

Thanks to HardSync for the comments!

apex · Post by **apex** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:26 am

I've considered doing something like this before. I think this idea should be expanded....this def deserves some more attention from the korg community at large. I'll work on some ideas based on this too. I'll post on your thread on the forum. Thanks for the link. Great work!!!!!

Fibcouple · Post by **Fibcouple** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:35 am

Peas&Carrots wrote:EDITED: Previous Post Title was: KRONOS Backing Track - Arranger Style Demo Video!

The video demonstrates that audio loops can be allocated to the Karma scene buttons which can then be triggered in sync whenever the user wants.

The loops could be simple drum track progressions or arranger style accompaniment. The great thing here is that the user defines EXACTLY what the loops will sound like. The demo only uses 1 Karma module so other 3 are available for Karma generated chord changes etc in the usual manner.

Any comments?

Excellent work..and pushing boundaries as to how Kronos can be used above and beyond what we are used to.

It will be very helpful if you could post a short 'how to' about how you went about making this combi

Your DJ skills aren't bad either - I enjoyed this. Thanks

Regards

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:39 am

Great idea!

And yes, please a short step by step instruction!

coyote144 · Post by **coyote144** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:12 am

Yeah really convincing demonstration. I can't even figure out how you managed to do that: please make an explanation about the way you did, i am really interested to try this by myself!

Congratulations!

apex · Post by **apex** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:06 pm

Well karma has to be set to one note arps (vs the other note range option) maybe each scene is set to a different one note range. So when he selects each of the scenes a different note is triggered automatically. Then each sample (loop) is attached to a different note. So when triggered by karma it is essentially the same as pressing a key and triggering that sample.

I still don't get why the karma software is needed to do this.

Peas&Carrots · Post by **Peas&Carrots** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:26 pm

apex wrote:Well karma has to be set to one note arps (vs the other note range option) maybe each scene is set to a different one note range. So when he said he's scenes a different note is triggered automatically. Then each sample (loop) is attached to a different note. So when triggered by karma it is essentially the same as pressing a key and triggering that sample.

I still don't get why the karma software is needed to do this.

Congratulations apex you pretty much figured it out! - not exactly rocket science but still effective - or at least I think so.

Karma just makes sure the scene changes are EXACTLY in time with Drum track or other Keyboard timing functions that you are using. I've tried just manually triggering loops but it all gets out of time very quickly and starts to sound messy. Unless of course there is another way of doing this?

As we know RPPR uses up keys on the keyboard so using the Karma buttons keeps things tidy.

The Karma software is NOT needed as Kronos runs the GE once it is created however I'm a newbie to Karma and at the moment can't figure out how to get this out of Kronos / Karma software and into a file that people can download. It should be simple but I'm struggling...aaaaargh! I also think that users will want to experiment - for example, the GE I used is 4/4 timing with only one trigger per scene change. Other users may want to change the time signature and other parameters to suit their performance and loops - the software would be needed for this.

If anyone has a "numptie guide" to saving a single GE into a file then please would you let me know how to do this?

Cheers!

apex · Post by **apex** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:26 pm

Saving a single GE is simple. Just save a program with the specific karma parameters saved and BANG!!!! It's not a "user" GE. It's a stock (default) GE with some simple parameter tweeks. It will save as part of the program. Then guys just have to insert their own wave files/loops etc.

apex · Post by **apex** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:42 pm

Peas&Carrots wrote:
apex wrote:Well karma has to be set to one note arps (vs the other note range option) maybe each scene is set to a different one note range. So when he said he's scenes a different note is triggered automatically. Then each sample (loop) is attached to a different note. So when triggered by karma it is essentially the same as pressing a key and triggering that sample.

I still don't get why the karma software is needed to do this.
Congratulations apex you pretty much figured it out! - not exactly rocket science but still effective - or at least I think so.

Cheers!

Thanks sir! Yeah like I said before, I'd explored this in depth before. I use a motif XF specifically for pattern mode and the ability to switch to different sections of a song on the fly. I've also started studying ableton live for the same purpose. But for forever I've wanted to use my m3/Kronos in a similar fashion. RPPR was the obvious choice but it never really worked the way I needed it to. I got the m3 karma software thinking that I'd be able to make my own karma GEs as a means to have my songs programmed and be able to achieve the motif pattern mode.... Again, this was a huge FAIL...."massive fail". But I never really thought about using pre recorded loops (samples) and then attach them to Karma.... Makes all the sense in the world. I'm going to do some more experimenting today and over the next week. My brain wheels are spinning and now I'm wondering how all four karma modules could be used to expand in this even more.

Thanks

Ps.... The only downside so far to this is the mix. (This is where I think the additional karma modules could come in handy). You have to have your mix perfect.... But each venue could "sound" different. But once your wave files are made, you can't remix your loops to make them sound different in eac venue.... One place the bass may sound perfect then another place you could need more... And the loops just won't allow that flexibility.....

Sooooo what I'm thinking is that instead of assigning one loop (with all the instruments) into on karma module, that you could assign individual loops to individual karma modules/programs... So you can adjust their volume levels individually..... I may be getting WAY ahead of myself, but like I said..... My wheels are spinning.

Looking out forward to more input from the community as a whole.

If we get pattern mode as a viable option from within the Kronos there won't be much else that the motif series will bring to the table that we won't already have access to....

Again, great work peas and carrots. Looking forward to expanding on this idea.

apex · Post by **apex** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:03 pm

But how exactly did you tell Karma which note to play with each scene... that's the part I'm at right now. Or at least that's what I'm thinking about.

Peas&Carrots · Post by **Peas&Carrots** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:28 pm

I've finished my "How To" instructions which can be downloaded from my Dropbox here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgo3v6clfcm67 ... 2.pdf?dl=0

Please note that these are only DRAFT notes so there are bound to be some omissions / mistakes etc.

Comments appreciated as always

THESE NOTES HAVE BEEN UPDATED (Now V.2)

apex · Post by **apex** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:43 pm

Aw man, you said it didn't require the kronos karma software..... And as soon as I opened the pdf, there it was....lol.

So you do need the software to create the ge....

apex · Post by **apex** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:50 pm

Either way, I have the karma m3 software, so I can try it that way, then load it into my m3. As long as it's not against any of mr, Kay's TOS, I will help the guys that need the data.

bobmusic · Post by **bobmusic** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:56 pm

Peas&Carrots wrote:I've finished my "How To" instructions which can be downloaded from my Dropbox here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tetc2rcz6klku ... s.pdf?dl=0
Please note that these are only DRAFT notes so there are bound to be some omissions / mistakes etc.
Comments appreciated as always

Hey wow, nicely done, thanks a lot!

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