electribe 2, a big disappointment.

[djoxygen]

hey guys,

ex electribe 2 owner here, and would like


i would not have believed that after a decade korg will half ass this. the box has definitely been rushed out which is strange considering how much time they had to get it right. somebody said if it had been dubbed kaossilator pro, it would make more sense and that really makes sense.
the more time one invested into emx the more it rewarded you. it could sound totally unrecognizable. maybe i did not give the e2 enough chance but in my experience it is more of a preset box than anything else. it does work very nice as a sequencer.







you can hook this up to a akai s series or some of the ensoniq samplers and have a blast. or use it with a synth module.






what emx had in spades is character. yes it sounded metallic, harsh, and sometimes cheesy, but it had buch of attitude and its limitations invited you to be creative. the e2 is a polar opposite. more refined sound but not much you can do with it. much as its casing, its a sleek but completely bland box.

the only way this release makes sense is if the new electribes are precursors to an upcoming electribe PRO, same way the smaller electribes were before the EMX and ESX.

in any case it left me sad and i sold it. i really cannot get past the fact that they actually took away so much with a new iteration of a product.
and again, clicking envelopes were killing me. no workaround for this.

before someone says, "it will be fixed with the next update" i am done waiting for companies to maybe fix stuff or do things right. no one should support this as it promotes reckless product design.

still waiting for the sampler version which i plan to use with an ipad as sound module on the go. ipolysix/ims20 and the electribe 2 worked really well together and i am eager to use my own samples.

i am far more cautious this time. infact i will be far less likely to trust korg from now on. this is coming from a long time fan.

it is a good bang for the buck but considering you can get an asrx for less, maybe not so much. i would not mind paying double the amount for a proper electribe that actually offers more, not less, that a groovebox they themselves released 10 years ago.
progress.

hope this opinion helps someone.

Is there any way to get detailed info on hooking other devices and consoles up to the electribe? I was interested in tempo matching and measure accuracy(if I hook up a hardware unit to the electribe, an mpx for example- will it sync in time with the tribe?

[djoxygen]

hey guys,

ex electribe 2 owner here, and would like


i would not have believed that after a decade korg will half ass this. the box has definitely been rushed out which is strange considering how much time they had to get it right. somebody said if it had been dubbed kaossilator pro, it would make more sense and that really makes sense.
the more time one invested into emx the more it rewarded you. it could sound totally unrecognizable. maybe i did not give the e2 enough chance but in my experience it is more of a preset box than anything else. it does work very nice as a sequencer.







you can hook this up to a akai s series or some of the ensoniq samplers and have a blast. or use it with a synth module.






what emx had in spades is character. yes it sounded metallic, harsh, and sometimes cheesy, but it had buch of attitude and its limitations invited you to be creative. the e2 is a polar opposite. more refined sound but not much you can do with it. much as its casing, its a sleek but completely bland box.

the only way this release makes sense is if the new electribes are precursors to an upcoming electribe PRO, same way the smaller electribes were before the EMX and ESX.

in any case it left me sad and i sold it. i really cannot get past the fact that they actually took away so much with a new iteration of a product.
and again, clicking envelopes were killing me. no workaround for this.

before someone says, "it will be fixed with the next update" i am done waiting for companies to maybe fix stuff or do things right. no one should support this as it promotes reckless product design.

still waiting for the sampler version which i plan to use with an ipad as sound module on the go. ipolysix/ims20 and the electribe 2 worked really well together and i am eager to use my own samples.

i am far more cautious this time. infact i will be far less likely to trust korg from now on. this is coming from a long time fan.

it is a good bang for the buck but considering you can get an asrx for less, maybe not so much. i would not mind paying double the amount for a proper electribe that actually offers more, not less, that a groovebox they themselves released 10 years ago.
progress.

hope this opinion helps someone.

Is there any way to get detailed info on hooking other devices and consoles up to the electribe? I was interested in tempo matching and measure accuracy(if I hook up a hardware unit to the electribe, an mpx for example- will it sync in time with the tribe?

[bladuck]

I love how controversial threads get the most responses and views.

MS-DOS: as other people said. I see your frustration and too, I see how nicely a few guys here are trying to explain to you the electribe concept. I love that somebody here said the electribe is simplicity first.

Based on what everything you missing in the unit I'm shocked that you actually purchased this item.

On the flip site, I do agree that posts like this DO need to exists in this forum to remind the chill fact of products created in recent years. Somebody needs to do this b/c Korg needs to know that there are serious issues with this product. If we let it go then the next product well be even more crapy. In my opinion this "crappiness" started somewhere around the Kaossilator Pro release... That was a real let down for me. No undo and slow SD transfer WTF. And it was the same price as the E2 $^%$@

Let's get to the positive side here:

I have created numerous songs with E2. The creativity of the E2 is limitless. The modulation is the bomb, I wish there was 2 or 3 of them. I use 2-3 modulations for a single track in course of 4 bars. The setting of both pots on modulation are remembered as you changing modulations so you can do really crazy things with it.

The Osc mod pot is the second bomb mainly for the synth sounds. It looks to me like Korg really took the best knob warping feature from each synthesis and added it to the synth sounds same as you see on kaossilators. There is lot of power using EG+OSC or Random+OSC or TRILFOB+OSC

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[KnowingWhatTheButtonDoes]

I love how controversial threads get the most responses and views.

It's an ethos that underpins the capitalist media. The result is billions of dollars and the manufacturing of consent to enslave your mind and mine your sweat. Aguing about opinion is a distraction from philosophising about justice.

On the point of justice, no one has been ripped off here. The friggen thing only cost $500 bucks! This is in a world where better equipment that does something similar costs twice to three times that (OP-1, Octatrack ect), it's a nifty entry level machine, if thats what your looking for.
The clicks/envelope/note-tie issues suck but you can still get great mileage (for fair price) out of this thing using it as one part of a rig as opposed to a stand-alone production/performance tool.
It's a bit of a toy... But an adult toy.

[thesigma]

The clicks/envelope/note-tie issues suck but you can still get great mileage (for fair price) out of this thing using it as one part of a rig as opposed to a stand-alone production/performance tool.

Right....because it was never meant to be a standalone production/performance tool anyway, it's not like it was marketed as such by korg or anything like that so where do these people get off being upset......oh....wait....it WAS marketed as a standalone tool........

Not saying you can't get a lot use out of it, I'm sure you can. But it was hyped, pushed out the door with a good many bugs, and I think people have a right to be disappointed and upset about that.

[1_inch_punch]

The right hand corner of the unit sitting at my desk says:

Music Production Station.

Strangely enough it says the same on the manual and the parameter guide.

Manufacturing consent, my ass.

PT Barnum is entirely the more appropriate - and practical - philosopher in this case.

[Ted3000]

The Internet: "Man, I want a TB-303 and a TR-808. They make 1-bar 16-step sequences with basically 1 signature sound. Those are awesome tools."

The Internet: "Man, the new electribe sucks. It only has 16 tracks at 4 bars with a ton of multi oscillator synth sounds, megabytes of drums and a long list of real-time effects. It has a touch pad, screen, knobs, and a USB port. You can drop parts in and out, trigger real time stuff, and it sounds huge. Yep, you simply can't make any music on it."

Time Traveler from 1985: "I'll trade my whole vintage rig for an e2, and I'll throw in a thousand bucks."

[22tape]

The Internet: "Man, I want a TB-303 and a TR-808. They make 1-bar 16-step sequences with basically 1 signature sound. Those are awesome tools."

The Internet: "Man, the new electribe sucks. It only has 16 tracks at 4 bars with a ton of multi oscillator synth sounds, megabytes of drums and a long list of real-time effects. It has a touch pad, screen, knobs, and a USB port. You can drop parts in and out, trigger real time stuff, and it sounds huge. Yep, you simply can't make any music on it."

Time Traveler from 1985: "I'll trade my whole vintage rig for an e2, and I'll throw in a thousand bucks."

so true, in so many cases with different gear!

but unfortunately for me, since i'm looking for a sampling/groovebox/workstation, it looks like i'll be going backwards in time and getting an mc909 instead of the new tribe sampler because it's spec'd better (for me), and samples don't cut on pattern change, which is the deal breaker for me and the new tribe sampler. the obvious drawback with the 909 is that it's a monster. but after after chasing/waiting for the latest/greatest portable sampling groovestation, i've come to the conclusion that portability is a shallow excuse (for me) when considreing gear. the 909 is a nothing compared to a drum kit!

[Automageddon]

What really annoys me about the EMX2 is the pattern cut, making it basically unusable in a live situation.
Something that is build for live use, including a useful pattern set function, is rendered useless by that issue.

People can try to defend that bug as much as they want, explaining the low specs of the chip, telling you should program your patterns around the issue, but that's just justifying the issue, something like that should just not happen.

[KnowingWhatTheButtonDoes]

Manufacturing consent, my ass.

PT Barnum is entirely the more appropriate - and practical - philosopher in this case.

FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph

On the point of the tribe, I was only talking about what it is/can be, not what it claims to be. I was pissed off, like everyone, that the manual describes a note-tie step edit function that is utterly disfunctional (only makes audible ties using live recording).

whats all this pattern change issue noise? I've had my E2 since December and have never noticed a problem.

[Ted3000]

I was pissed off, like everyone, that the manual describes a note-tie step edit function that is utterly disfunctional (only makes audible ties using live recording).

You sure about that? I make ties in step edit all the time. The filter/envelope envelope does not retrigger during the tie.

I wish the glide had a legato only (tie or overlap, etc) mode. That way you could have step-specific glide. But as far as the envelope goes, step edit ties work as I expect.

[Frenzies]

I was pissed off, like everyone, that the manual describes a note-tie step edit function that is utterly disfunctional (only makes audible ties using live recording).

You sure about that? I make ties in step edit all the time. The filter/envelope envelope does not retrigger during the tie.

I wish the glide had a legato only (tie or overlap, etc) mode. That way you could have step-specific glide. But as far as the envelope goes, step edit ties work as I expect.

Yeah I tie notes all the time using step edit. Does exactly what I would expect.

[22tape]

whats all this pattern change issue noise? I've had my E2 since December and have never noticed a problem.

really? that'd be friggen great if it's really not an issue. but I think it's already been confirmed that instruments and insert fx cut out on pattern change?

[Ted3000]

really? that'd be friggen great if it's really not an issue. but I think it's already been confirmed that instruments and insert fx cut out on pattern change?

People are talking about different things here. When you change patterns, you cut off the old one. That's expected. (Master effects carry over if a verb or delay is the same.)

There was a silent gap prior to OS 1.03. That's been fixed.

When people say there's no issue, they're saying the behavior is fine, expected, or manageable.

When people claim the e2 is useless due to no tails, they're saying they don't like the behavior.

But either way, it's not a glitch. It's just how this thing works. It can't play 2 patterns at the same time - which is what would be required to overlap releases, tails and decays from the old pattern into the new one. You'd need double polyphony, double DSP.

[bladuck]

I use the step edit mode mostly too to fix lengths and velocities. Anything else is too tedious to do. As suggested in some threads, I re-record the track if I need some chords played rather than using this silly mode. When I need to edit a chord it is a bitch mode to use .
Here is what I wrote two months back but I guess that was too early not many people used the edit mode heavily. This would help a lot to use this mode more
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=95663
I will rewrite b/c I might not have been clear then.
1. So let's say you hit an empty step in the step edit mode. If you turn the knob on this position you should NOT need to go from C1 to C4 too many values even using the shift+data function. The note entered should start with whatever was the previous step note. Example
step 3 note D4 entered
step 4 nothing entered (turning the knob one way would produce E4 and the other way would product C4# ... depends on chosen scale

2. With Shift + pad in step edit mode you should be able to select multiple steps and change notes, durations and velocity for all of them at the same time (!!!) OMG I want this so bad!
(Now there is bug, a mute gets engaged when you hit shift+pad)

3. Double tapping a pad with no notes would get populated (copied) all notes velocities from the PREVIOUS step. Wouldn't this be great for long TIE notes ?

New additions

4. Add acceleration to the DATA knob. I know there is shift+knob in many functions but some of the menu parameters such as groove value takes forever to get from 0-127 ... there are many more ... such as dialing patterns (I know that I can use pattern banks here )
Another one is when changing a name, argghs the shift does not work so I need to click-dial 100 times to get to the numbers. ALL OTHER Gear works with shift+dial to move from a to A to numbers etc.

Any other suggestions for the edit mode... ???
The suggested features list is becoming too noisy, especially with features that are un-realistic for the DSP guts of electribe. Or there are features that are not needed if you use the unit for a long time. (I clocked 600+ hours on it)