electribe2 - What a disappointment!
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electribe2 - What a disappointment!
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Last edited by sl23 on Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: electribe2 - What a disappointment!
1. Lack of the traditional keyboard is a pain. Should've at least labelled pads with key names.
The pads don't correspond to notes on a keyboard unless you've selected Chromatic as the scale. Labeling them for one scale would be a waste of screenprinting. It's not even the default scale.
2. Combining part keys is a good idea but would prefer seperate buttons to see instantly what's playing instead of having to keep switching back and forth.
And that would have made the instrument bigger. Korg was aiming for a streamlined multi-function pad interface.
3. Seq Step Mode. When pressing the Sequencer button to show step data, it makes reading the data confusing. Why? Because on older electribes a step was a note trigger that lasted one pad. Now, a triggered pad that lasts for say, a bar, lights up 4 pads even though only the first pad is the trigger?!
On the EMX, a step could be any length. On the e2, each step is a maximum 16th note. 16th notes are tied together to make longer notes. That's why you see multiple steps lit up. It's more of a pain to program in step mode, but it makes the length visually easier to understand when in sequence mode - you see the length.
4. Reducing the knob count was a really bad idea. A single knob for Osc Edit, FX! No Filter Drive!
Streamlining, baby. Shift could help for future OS updates. More knobs = more size or cramped interface. It's too late now anyway.
5. No front panel display LED's. Yes the display can do all that, but certain things are better and more informative on the front panel. Osc/Mod/Filter Types could have had a seperate small LCD or LED config to display which is selected.
Interface gripes are moot, it's not going to change. There were plenty of pics and video available to you before you added it to your cart.
6. Sensitive but poor quality touchpad.
I've heard mentioned this before, but no one has explained it. It tracks your X-Y movements, it's a touch surface, works like an average laptop's trackpad. What would make it better? Glass and a backlight? Ka-ching.
7. Power Saving needs much shorter time options.
I guess. Could be an easy OS fix. In the meantime: Turn it off when you walk away. It's not like you can't tell it's on.
8. Too many god damn menus!!!
That's the price of a compact unit with a lot of function. You've been advocating more and more functions - the thing won't just grow knobs.
9. Pad shortcuts should be assignable to your favourite ones.
Sure.
10. No info on how to change Filter types! Nice one Korg!
Does the manual count as "info?"
11. Reducing the sequencer to 4 bars!!! WTF?! Why? This is one of my main problems with this unit. I knew, of course before purchase, but that doesn't change the fact Korg are c0x for doing that.
Welcome to the great Bar wars of 2014.
12. Where's the write protect gone?
Why not resist the temptation to hit Write twice on a pattern you don't want to overwrite?
13. Part Erase is far to easy to press by accident!
Some of your gripes seem to be about idiot-proofing this thing. I'm fine without a lot of confirmation clicks. You know something else that doesn't have an Undo? A hacksaw.
14. The display is wasted. It doesn't display enough info and could display the pattern/menu info and last used parameter simultaneously. BPM is taking up space needlessly when it could be moved to mid right and use top line to show last used parameter.
This is a popular sentiment and I agree. There are already a lot of threads about the display.
15. Where the hell is the Reverb InsertFX?
As explained over 50 times in this forum, reverb is a huge DSP-hogging effect that can't exist in multiple instances. There's no way in hell you could have 16 independent insert reverbs. That's why it's a master effect.
I have to say that as a sound module this is superb, I love it but the way everything has been built around it is a very bad move! I mean the whole idea of the original electribes was simplicity and ease of use making for a fast workflow. Yes that is possible with the e2, but nowhere near as intuitive as the originals. It took around 30 mins of diving in menus and pressing buttons before realising you have to hold Shift and a Filter Type to change the algorithm!
Why spend 30 minutes banging rocks together when you can spend 10 seconds reading the manual?
If you want to filter drums, buy the ESX
I used to send my drums to the effect section's filter on the EMX. Sounded fine.
The pads don't correspond to notes on a keyboard unless you've selected Chromatic as the scale. Labeling them for one scale would be a waste of screenprinting. It's not even the default scale.
2. Combining part keys is a good idea but would prefer seperate buttons to see instantly what's playing instead of having to keep switching back and forth.
And that would have made the instrument bigger. Korg was aiming for a streamlined multi-function pad interface.
3. Seq Step Mode. When pressing the Sequencer button to show step data, it makes reading the data confusing. Why? Because on older electribes a step was a note trigger that lasted one pad. Now, a triggered pad that lasts for say, a bar, lights up 4 pads even though only the first pad is the trigger?!
On the EMX, a step could be any length. On the e2, each step is a maximum 16th note. 16th notes are tied together to make longer notes. That's why you see multiple steps lit up. It's more of a pain to program in step mode, but it makes the length visually easier to understand when in sequence mode - you see the length.
4. Reducing the knob count was a really bad idea. A single knob for Osc Edit, FX! No Filter Drive!
Streamlining, baby. Shift could help for future OS updates. More knobs = more size or cramped interface. It's too late now anyway.
5. No front panel display LED's. Yes the display can do all that, but certain things are better and more informative on the front panel. Osc/Mod/Filter Types could have had a seperate small LCD or LED config to display which is selected.
Interface gripes are moot, it's not going to change. There were plenty of pics and video available to you before you added it to your cart.
6. Sensitive but poor quality touchpad.
I've heard mentioned this before, but no one has explained it. It tracks your X-Y movements, it's a touch surface, works like an average laptop's trackpad. What would make it better? Glass and a backlight? Ka-ching.
7. Power Saving needs much shorter time options.
I guess. Could be an easy OS fix. In the meantime: Turn it off when you walk away. It's not like you can't tell it's on.
8. Too many god damn menus!!!
That's the price of a compact unit with a lot of function. You've been advocating more and more functions - the thing won't just grow knobs.
9. Pad shortcuts should be assignable to your favourite ones.
Sure.
10. No info on how to change Filter types! Nice one Korg!
Does the manual count as "info?"
11. Reducing the sequencer to 4 bars!!! WTF?! Why? This is one of my main problems with this unit. I knew, of course before purchase, but that doesn't change the fact Korg are c0x for doing that.
Welcome to the great Bar wars of 2014.
12. Where's the write protect gone?
Why not resist the temptation to hit Write twice on a pattern you don't want to overwrite?
13. Part Erase is far to easy to press by accident!
Some of your gripes seem to be about idiot-proofing this thing. I'm fine without a lot of confirmation clicks. You know something else that doesn't have an Undo? A hacksaw.
14. The display is wasted. It doesn't display enough info and could display the pattern/menu info and last used parameter simultaneously. BPM is taking up space needlessly when it could be moved to mid right and use top line to show last used parameter.
This is a popular sentiment and I agree. There are already a lot of threads about the display.
15. Where the hell is the Reverb InsertFX?
As explained over 50 times in this forum, reverb is a huge DSP-hogging effect that can't exist in multiple instances. There's no way in hell you could have 16 independent insert reverbs. That's why it's a master effect.
I have to say that as a sound module this is superb, I love it but the way everything has been built around it is a very bad move! I mean the whole idea of the original electribes was simplicity and ease of use making for a fast workflow. Yes that is possible with the e2, but nowhere near as intuitive as the originals. It took around 30 mins of diving in menus and pressing buttons before realising you have to hold Shift and a Filter Type to change the algorithm!
Why spend 30 minutes banging rocks together when you can spend 10 seconds reading the manual?
If you want to filter drums, buy the ESX
I used to send my drums to the effect section's filter on the EMX. Sounded fine.
Last edited by Ted3000 on Thu May 28, 2015 1:55 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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1_inch_punch
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Thanks for your sarcastic responses, here's mine:
Bollox! Look at the Novation Nova! Barely bigger than an e2 and look at how much has been packed into a NON cramped interface! Could've added a sequencer to a Nova without too much space. Then minus a few knobs and buttons to save space and there you have the reduced size for a compact unit. Not too difficult really is it?! Just Korg being tight as they ALWAYS have been with their gear!2. And that would have made the instrument bigger. Korg was aiming for a streamlined multi-function pad interface.
One of the many things NOT explained in the very brief manual!3. On the EMX, a step could be any length. On the e2, each step is a maximum 16th note. 16th notes are tied together to make longer notes. That's why you see multiple steps lit up. It's more of a pain to program in step mode, but it makes the length visually easier to understand when in sequence mode - you see the length.
See 2 above!4. Streamlining, baby. Shift could help for future OS updates. More knobs = more size or cramped interface. It's too late now anyway.
My laptop's pad is better than this! And it's hardly great!6. I've heard mentioned this before, but no one has explained it. It tracks your X-Y movements, it's a touch surface, works like an average laptop's trackpad. What would make it better? Glass and a backlight? Ka-ching.
Kinda defeats the whole point of having a power saver feature, don't you think?!7. I guess. Could be an easy OS fix. In the meantime: Turn it off when you walk away. It's not like you can't tell it's on.
See 2 above!8. That's the price of a compact unit with a lot of function.
When it doesn't contain that info, NO!10. Does the manual count as "info?"
Because I'm not a selfish b'stard and I have a family who like to mess about on it!12. Why not resist the temptation to hit Write twice on a pattern you don't want to overwrite?
See 12 above!13. Some of your gripes seem to be about idiot-proofing this thing. I'm fine without a lot of confirmation clicks. You know something else that doesn't have an Undo? A hacksaw.
Because the tiny manual doesn't contain the info I require, do you really think I haven't checked that beforehand!Why spend 30 minutes banging rocks together when you can spend 10 seconds reading the manual?
That wastes an effect, of which there are only three, and has no drive! Pretty obvious that seeing as I did state it!I used to send my drums to the effect section's filter on the EMX. Sounded fine.
Hey, look what I found in the manual in the section that covers filters:
LPF button
This button enables the low-pass filter.
Pressing the button repeatedly allows you to change type of
the filter.
HPF button
This button enables the high-pass filter.
Pressing the button repeatedly allows you to change type of
the filter.
BPF button
This button enables the band-pass filter.
Pressing the button repeatedly allows you to change type of
the filter.
To be fair, Korg hid this info on page 5 of a 17-page manual under the headline "filters," alongside a drawing of the filter knob and filter type buttons.
LPF button
This button enables the low-pass filter.
Pressing the button repeatedly allows you to change type of
the filter.
HPF button
This button enables the high-pass filter.
Pressing the button repeatedly allows you to change type of
the filter.
BPF button
This button enables the band-pass filter.
Pressing the button repeatedly allows you to change type of
the filter.
To be fair, Korg hid this info on page 5 of a 17-page manual under the headline "filters," alongside a drawing of the filter knob and filter type buttons.
From the manual -
Pressing the button repeatably allows you to change the type of filter.
That counts as info, I believe. You don't need to spend 30 minutes banging rocks together to find that one out. I see Ted has already covered this.
Re: power saver. If you aren't going to come back to it for 2 hours why not turn it off? 2 or 4 hours or whatever doesn't matter, aside from battery saving, in which case, just turn it off. You have some valid gripes, but some of these seem to be an attempt to make a certain number of points.
Pressing the button repeatably allows you to change the type of filter.
That counts as info, I believe. You don't need to spend 30 minutes banging rocks together to find that one out. I see Ted has already covered this.
Re: power saver. If you aren't going to come back to it for 2 hours why not turn it off? 2 or 4 hours or whatever doesn't matter, aside from battery saving, in which case, just turn it off. You have some valid gripes, but some of these seem to be an attempt to make a certain number of points.
01/WFD - M3 - MS-20 - Volca Bass - Volca Beats - Volca Keys - electribe emx2 - Monotron - KP3+ - iPad with too many Korg apps
Moog Sub 37 - Arturia Microbrute - Roland Gaia SH-01 - Boss DR660 - Akai S1000 - Akai S01 - Yamaha RM1x - Roland SP-404SX
https://soundcloud.com/beardsound
Moog Sub 37 - Arturia Microbrute - Roland Gaia SH-01 - Boss DR660 - Akai S1000 - Akai S01 - Yamaha RM1x - Roland SP-404SX
https://soundcloud.com/beardsound
The man has valid points, which he unfortunately dilutes with other rubbish.dutchcow wrote:Fanbois to the rescue
01/WFD - M3 - MS-20 - Volca Bass - Volca Beats - Volca Keys - electribe emx2 - Monotron - KP3+ - iPad with too many Korg apps
Moog Sub 37 - Arturia Microbrute - Roland Gaia SH-01 - Boss DR660 - Akai S1000 - Akai S01 - Yamaha RM1x - Roland SP-404SX
https://soundcloud.com/beardsound
Moog Sub 37 - Arturia Microbrute - Roland Gaia SH-01 - Boss DR660 - Akai S1000 - Akai S01 - Yamaha RM1x - Roland SP-404SX
https://soundcloud.com/beardsound
Yeah...
Yeah. I think there are a lot of us Electribe fans that are let down because we were expecting an upgraded EMX-1. Instead we got something completely different and to be honest that just isn't possible at this price point. I just hope that Korg is listening because there are those of us that would gladly pay extra for a box that rivals the Elektrons. C'mon Korg, you can do it. I'm pulling for you:)
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FranciscoArellano
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I don't know about the E2, I bought an EMX-1 about 3 weeks ago and I'm so happy with it. Never before I had a groovebox or synthesizer or anything and I'm reading and practicing as much as I can in order to achieve my goals and ideas. I think you're lucky of having the opportunity of learning to use a brand new instrument.
Learning something new and keep effort on it is what makes us proud. Difficult things are the real test. So go on and try to master it.
Best wishes.
Johnny Cage.
Learning something new and keep effort on it is what makes us proud. Difficult things are the real test. So go on and try to master it.
Best wishes.
Johnny Cage.