Frenzies wrote:
And yet after all that time you still feel it necessary to hang around forums of equipment you no longer own telling people who haven't even got it yet that they should send it back.
Please explain to me why I don't have the right to voice my opinion? Is it a requirement to own an E2 to post here? Also you're implying i don't own any previous Tribes or Korg gear and pretty much tell me to stop posting here.
Do I tell lies? No. I warned a fellow consumer. I did't know that was against your made up rules. Luckily you're not a moderator here. If you don't like what I have to say add me to your ignore list, or just don't read my posts? Easy peasy. And why not fight arguments with arguments instead of constantly attacking me personally?
All the ad hominem arguments here are tiring and boring. I will join in more and more and also start attacking people rather than their arguments. Since thats the norm here now.
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I got mine on day 1 and, I have to say, I was disappointed. The cut off of the notes and ifx on pattern change was jarring, and I was a bit annoyed at the lack of a Flux mode, like on the Volca Keys, to allow me to halve the tempo and still get 16th resolution notes without resorting to the 32 roller ifx. I encountered the voice stealing very early on too. I tweeted Korg re. the hard cut and they said that was the way it was, and the only product they did that carried over note decays and fx was the sequencer on the Kronos. So I had a big fat moan about it to my girlfriend who told me either to send it back or to try and compose within the boundaries and limitations of the unit. As I had already committed to live dates with the e2 my only viable option I had to do the latter.
So...
I use as few actual pattern changes as I can. I will set up a track that has 6-8 pads for the drums and then the rest get shared across several different variations to make an evolving piece. These may share a bass sound that can then leave me 6-7 other parts to share out for synth leads or pads, I also sequence external gear from it. If I encounter voice stealing I just set the voice I'm losing to high priority and carry on, and this has never been an issue. In fact, sometimes voice stealing can do wonders for melodies, giving staccato stabs and rhythms that I wouldn't have though of myself. Having written the 3 or 4 variations I then copy the pattern across to 4 or 5 neighbouring patterns and start jamming. The copied patterns will be altered to suit bits that I want to drop in or out that may need too many fingers to do on the fly. In keeping with working within the limitations of the box I'm very careful with my pattern changes to minimise the audible cutting of fx or sounds, often it will mean finishing a previous pattern by soloing just a couple of parts or dropping things out after 3.5 bars or whatever. In doing this I can get maybe 20 minutes of continuous music with only 3 or 4 pattern changes, none of which are particularly jarring. I do this again and I've got 40 minutes done, and a set ready to go. I will admit that having external synths involved helps and I have to be careful with the sound setting to minimise envelope style clicks, but then that's not really worse than the noise floor or the key thump on the MS20, or the amp related clicks on the Volca Keys.
For sure I could just focus on the negatives, and there are a few, but I can't find anything else that does what this box does, certainly not for the price, and I find the limitations to be quite inspiring. I started making dance music in the early 90s using just a drum machine, and I was more creative and prolific then with almost nothing than I ever was with the whole world at my fingertips with Logic or Ableton.
Approach it a certain way and it will be a lot of fun. Otherwise get too hung up on all the negative stuff and it will be annoying as hell.
Good luck
01/WFD - M3 - MS-20 - Volca Bass - Volca Beats - Volca Keys - electribe emx2 - Monotron - KP3+ - iPad with too many Korg apps
Moog Sub 37 - Arturia Microbrute - Roland Gaia SH-01 - Boss DR660 - Akai S1000 - Akai S01 - Yamaha RM1x - Roland SP-404SX
Frenzies wrote:
And yet after all that time you still feel it necessary to hang around forums of equipment you no longer own telling people who haven't even got it yet that they should send it back.
Please explain to me why I don't have the right to voice my opinion? Is it a requirement to own an E2 to post here? And why not fight arguments with arguments instead of constantly attacking me personally?
Do I tell lies? No. I warned a fellow consumer. I did't know that was against your made up rules. Luckily you're not a moderator here. If you don't like what I have to say add me to your ignore list, or just don't read my posts? Easy peasy.
Ok kidda, I've put my side. I'm a stupid fanboy and I find your constant reference to the unit being crippled and so on a bit tiring. The people who come to see me play live it haven't been coming up going 'that sounded s**t, those envelopes and artefacts were terrible'
And I never attack you personally. I've disagreed with what you've said, or felt the need to temper what you've said.
01/WFD - M3 - MS-20 - Volca Bass - Volca Beats - Volca Keys - electribe emx2 - Monotron - KP3+ - iPad with too many Korg apps
Moog Sub 37 - Arturia Microbrute - Roland Gaia SH-01 - Boss DR660 - Akai S1000 - Akai S01 - Yamaha RM1x - Roland SP-404SX
...responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than to the content of their arguments.
Also look at how Frenzies replied to my post. Instead of writing a retort to my arguments he writes some weird emotional post about being a stupid fanboy. He doesn't reply to any of my points about not having the right to post my opinion because I don't own my E2 anymore.
Feel free to check the replies people make to my posts and count the times they actually reply to my arguments rather than attacking me personally or completely ignoring my arguments. It's all good though, this is the internet. My carefully typed arguments can be just as carefully ignored
Oh, and Frenzies I didn't say you attacked me personally, I said it is happening a lot on this forum, and not only to me.
...responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than to the content of their arguments.
Also look at how Frenzies replied to my post. Instead of writing a retort to my arguments he writes some weird emotional post about being a stupid fanboy. He doesn't reply to any of my points about not having the right to post my opinion because I don't own my E2 anymore.
Feel free to check the replies people make to my posts and count hw many times they actually reply to my arguments rather than attacking me personally or completely ignoring my arguments. It's all good though, this is the internet. My carefully typed arguments can be just as carefully ignored
Oh, and Frenzies I didn't say you attacked me personally, I said it is happening a lot on this forum, and not only to me.
You do refer to those of us who like the unit as fanboys quite a lot, though. And my long post is a response to people's criticisms, I feel.
01/WFD - M3 - MS-20 - Volca Bass - Volca Beats - Volca Keys - electribe emx2 - Monotron - KP3+ - iPad with too many Korg apps
Moog Sub 37 - Arturia Microbrute - Roland Gaia SH-01 - Boss DR660 - Akai S1000 - Akai S01 - Yamaha RM1x - Roland SP-404SX
Frenzies wrote:
You do refer to those of us who like the unit as fanboys quite a lot, though. And my long post is a response to people's criticisms, I feel.
You didn't respond to anything I wrote in my reply to your post.
I am still waiting for your explanation as to why I am not allowed to ventilate my opinion and warn others? Just like some people here advertise the E2 as if it is the holy grail of groove boxes. All I do is make factional statements about my experiences and gripes.
mihata wrote:I hope I have good times with my e2 and to want to keep it. I also hope they make an update soon:)
You sound kinda like me. I am an IT consultant by day and so when I'm ready to sit down and chill and make some crappy music - the last thing I want to look at is a computer. I have had various bits and pieces of gear in the past and I ditched it all and now I just have the electribe. No regrets - haven't had this much fun with any other music purchase!
Ouch, I just bumped really hard into the click sounds first time when I tried to make a subby baseline.. I have to say It's really hard to disregard this bug - I tried mono and poly, both have the annoying click..
one more thing, I remember seeing this as a post here but I couldn't find it - it's about static audio noise when the device is on power safe mode - constant buzzing. I'm not sure that this comes from the box and not from my sockets at home, but fact is I only hear it significantly more when in power safe mode (still plugged).
But mostly that clicking, I was about to hook a midi keyboard and try playing the otherwise great instruments and sounds but this click is just too obvious for the 450 euro payed..
mihata wrote:Ouch, I just bumped really hard into the click sounds first time when I tried to make a subby baseline.. I have to say It's really hard to disregard this bug - I tried mono and poly, both have the annoying click..
one more thing, I remember seeing this as a post here but I couldn't find it - it's about static audio noise when the device is on power safe mode - constant buzzing. I'm not sure that this comes from the box and not from my sockets at home, but fact is I only hear it significantly more when in power safe mode (still plugged).
But mostly that clicking, I was about to hook a midi keyboard and try playing the otherwise great instruments and sounds but this click is just too obvious for the 450 euro payed..
Have you tried backing off the Attack? This MIGHT help with the click!
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mihata wrote:Ouch, I just bumped really hard into the click sounds first time when I tried to make a subby baseline.. I have to say It's really hard to disregard this bug - I tried mono and poly, both have the annoying click..
one more thing, I remember seeing this as a post here but I couldn't find it - it's about static audio noise when the device is on power safe mode - constant buzzing. I'm not sure that this comes from the box and not from my sockets at home, but fact is I only hear it significantly more when in power safe mode (still plugged).
But mostly that clicking, I was about to hook a midi keyboard and try playing the otherwise great instruments and sounds but this click is just too obvious for the 450 euro payed..
As a potential buyer that worries me a lot. I've mentally dealt with most other user reported issues, ie: lack of polyphony, only 4 bars, convoluted sample loading etc.. but noise, clicks and artefacts is a major put off.
I've heard what sound to be reasonable steps to take in avoiding said artefacts, mainly to do with keeping levels low, limiting the amount of instruments used, turn up the attack, not too much decay on bass etc.., but that worries me even more, as it implies you are again limited in your sound shaping options.
Saying that, from all the videos I've seen/heard I've heard no clicking, it would be helpful to see/hear a video of the problem occurring. Knowing what load is being put on the machine for it to behave like that also useful. Anyone?
DEEPMOSES, there are 2 posts in the forum describing the click issues you can find them easily by keywords, I sat this morning trying those and indeed clicks are there - true, you can manage by keeping mono, reducing levels, +attack -on decay but let's say you have a reasonably good sounding baseline but then if you tap on the pad with the same instrument on top and you hear clicks.
Also I just tried in completely different power socket at home and still there is a static audio noise when in power safe mode and at the half of the volume knob I can hear annoying buzzing. When I switch to normal power mode the same buzzing is down with let's say 75% and I can slightly hear it when I turn the volume to the max. Also my speakers have a bit background noise on their own just by being plugged into the electribe which itself is switched off but plugged into the socket. Obviously when I unplug electribe from the socket, there is no noise at all..
PLEASE someone tell me, is it normal to have such background noises, or if you know the post where this was discussed (some ppl were showing some graphs from a specialized software)
