OS Swap done. with video

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:09 pm

apapdop wrote:I'm not bothered about people hacking stuff. It's up to them, they are a lot braver than me and it's not my thing in the slightest.

If Korg officially DO open up the dual-booting, then that should have been mentioned from Day One. NOT "You want both? Then buy both" until at some point in the near future their song changes to "You want both? Then just buy one and download this little doodah and voila!!... you've got both". That smacks of underhandness...

I hear you, though I'd say that's the natural reaction of someone who bought both.

One can't use both at the same time with the hack or a choose-at-boot, so you don't really have both machines. And having two separate machines has advantages - double the parts, double the effects, when run as a pair into a mixer.

Might be more fair to people like yourself if there was a unified OS. Then you could sell one and have both functions running at once.

But either way, you were not swindled. Both machines are so similar that 80% of the function is redundant if you have 2 boxes.

DodgingRain · Post by **DodgingRain** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:43 pm

Korg can sue anyone who distributes the os, but I'm not sure there is much they can do if u modify yourself since there is no agreement signed by the consumer.

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:35 pm

Ted3000 wrote:Reading Pullen's latest rage-speckled screed against the hackers is somewhat depressing. See the relevant FB page.

He has one very good point (no one wants some kid to brick their e2) but there's ample warning. It has a high enough entry that casual brick-prone goofballs will give it a second thought.

But his petty "it's korg's Property, sample license, blah blah" - classic White Knighting for a corporation over the user community and their passion and curiosity. Pair that with his anger, it just looks sloppy.

Korg needs a well-briefed, polite, cool-as-a-clam person to act as community liason.

The days of releasing gear top down and controlling everything are over.

The "you can suck it" video might have kicked this off on an adversarial note but I laughed. It was aimed at people who said the hack wasn't real, not people who said it hurt the feelings of a corporation.

I've had my e2 FOR A WHOLE YEAR and it still has some baffling shortcomings, none of which were explained or transparent at launch, with zero ETA for fixes and updates. But step on a few toes, and we learn they were juuuuuuuust about to launch the glorious free unified superOS, if it wasn't for us meddling kids.

What's funny is that if James Pullen didn't open his mouth about OS swapping in the first place, no one probably would have attempted to do so. For the most part, he's to blame for putting the word out there first and making others curious about it being possible. And I fail to see what Korg can sue anyone for. No one is making any money from doing this. The OS updates on their website don't require any registration and anyone can download them free of charge. If people were redistributing a modified OS, then I can see a potential legal problem, but this isn't the case here.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:39 pm

Re-Member wrote: The OS updates on their website don't require any registration and anyone can download them free of charge. If people were redistributing a modified OS, then I can see a potential legal problem, but this isn't the case here.

That actually was the problem...the modified firmware (in the beginning) was distributed publicly for free via the facebook group.

The hacker has since removed all files relating to the hack and thus has only posted a complete tutorial on how to modify the firmware and then how to use said firmware.

rowf · Post by **rowf** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:02 am

This is the hacker! Yes, I did it wromg the firsts minutes because lots of people asked for the files, but I think that you should only upgrade if you can do it by yourself. So do it!its free to try, but if you like the sampler version, you should buy it!

bingkingbo · Post by **bingkingbo** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:02 am

wow, on Synthtopia now~

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/ ... e-sampler/

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:58 pm

rowf wrote:This is the hacker! Yes, I did it wromg the firsts minutes because lots of people asked for the files, but I think that you should only upgrade if you can do it by yourself. So do it!its free to try, but if you like the sampler version, you should buy it!

I'm glad you shared your files and documentation. You did what this forum has been speculating about for a long time. You're a man of action.

I wouldn't worry too much about legal threats, especially now that the modified firmware has been removed from Facebook.

Case study: I was never going to buy the Korg electribe sampler. But I own the grey electribe. I don't represent a lost sale. Korg sells hardware, I bought hardware.

Even Apple does not sell operating systems. They're free. And useless, unless you've bought their machine.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:02 pm

bingkingbo wrote:wow, on Synthtopia now~

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/ ... e-sampler/

Yep, and I think it made the round on Reddit and Gearslutz.

People are buzzing about the new electribes. You can't buy this kind of press.

This isn't bad publicity. This is people talking about a year-old groovebox that failed to dominate the crowded desktop electronic music gear market.

In a world goings nuts for Eurorack, Plug-Outs, and Elektron - Korg now has something cool, hacked, and talked about.

DiscoDevil · Post by **DiscoDevil** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:45 pm

This is great and all but if it screws up scheduled updates, lots of people will be pissed.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:58 pm

DiscoDevil wrote:This is great and all but if it screws up scheduled updates, lots of people will be pissed.

I don't see why it would change anything. How many grey electribes are out there? Of those, how many owners installed the hack? A very small percentage of what's already a niche product. This isn't iPhone jailbreak scale.

If Korg was actually planning to do something like this (or offer an update that keeps things separte but adds cool new features) they might feel the need to do it sooner rather than later. That's not a disaster for anyone.

If they DID plan go dual boot, then they have taken way too long with no communication, and left the back door open with the simple header code tweak right there for people to experiment with. The law of human nature guarantees someone will try it eventually. People are impatitient in the face of silence.

A lot of people won't touch this hack but are now excited to see what Korg does to trump it. Free publicity!

DiscoDevil · Post by **DiscoDevil** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:04 pm

Sure. It's all speculation at this point BUT I could very well see resources that were allocated for OS updates be moved to trying to close up the hole or whatever.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:16 pm

DiscoDevil wrote:Sure. It's all speculation at this point BUT I could very well see resources that were allocated for OS updates be moved to trying to close up the hole or whatever.

Maybe Korg's developers can write code that detects paint color.

DodgingRain · Post by **DodgingRain** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:56 pm

I don't know that there was ever any possibility of a unified os or the option to change the os. For that to have been the plan the e2 samples would have to be in the e2s somewhere and the e2s factory samples would have to be in the e2. I don't think anyone has shown that to be the case. Also they wouldn't have bothered with the extra cost of two color if that was the plan all along. I guess maybe the samples could be on some sort of eeprom like the firmware but I doubt that.

rowf · Post by **rowf** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:03 am

He escrito el tutorial en español en Hispasonic, está en espera de revisión. Espero que saldrá en portada.

robotunes · Post by **robotunes** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:04 am

all this reminds me of 2000, when roland came out with the sp808ex. someone quickly figured out that original sp808 owners could just install a bigger zip drive and install the sp808ex's OS to get a brand-new machine.

and then 9 years later, someone figured out how to replace the zip drive in the sp808 with a quiet, reliable hard drive that provided for 9 hours of sampling.

and guess who that someone was!? i bet our es-to-e2s genius knows!!!