Piano: Kronos Classic 61 vs Triton Extreme 76

[Aziz1008]

I find the piano BD Grand Concert (first program patch) of my old Triton Extreme almost comparable, if not better that of SXG1 in Kronos. It's alive. Not just canned samples. Also key action is more realistic. How is it possible, or is it really great piano in TEx?


Added on 16.10.15 21:45

I've recorded two instruments piano comparison, the second instrument starts from 1:17. I'll try to make a voting, and later in a week tell you which was the first instrument, and which the second)

I played only Tritons keyboard (you can hear clicking of its eternal metallic key contacts ), attached to Kronos, and switching sound of one of the keyboards by volume sliders. Find who is who here?) Recorded with Ipad's mic in Tape app.


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And here's the true answer - the first was Kronos). Majority was right.

[Aziz1008]

I've written wrong program name. Corrected.

[vstkeys]

Ok

Do this ; get a midi cable and connect to the kronos midi in and midi out on Tex . Now play the Tex And let us know.

From my experience; I did that with my roland bk3 midi to kronos ( yeah low end keyboard that costs $400) and my kronos resuscitated , pianos sounded great . Please try that. Eventhough your Tex and my roland are not hammer action it will serve to make a point that although the acc pianos on kronos are years ahead of triton the keybed or velocity is fu c e.k on kronos 61.

This is not a suggestion by anymeans !! Would be ridiculous taking two keyboard to a gig because the one that costs thousands of dollars is rubbish

[Aziz1008]

I already did it, thanks there's no need for midi cable - just plug in TEX via USB into Kronos and here you go..

Yes, the Yamaha keybed of Triton is more piano-like, it even has a kind of tactile feedback - a finger jumps back after release. But the sound of Kronos is a bit better, but more dry. May be it is some of reverb in TEX. But the point is, Kronos piano is not at all bad; what I'm saying is that Triton's piano is almost just as good. May be because the fading out sound has a very insignificant spectral change, so it almost unnoticable if it is looped, as in Triton..

[SanderXpander]

To me they are worlds apart, I can't see how I would ever even put them in the same league. But to each their own. The TEx piano was a ton better than the stock pianos on the older Tritons were, that's for sure.

[Aziz1008]

I've recorded two instruments' pianos comparison and a poll in the first post).

[SanderXpander]

I will admit that when you play mechanically and record them in mono through an iPad mic they're harder to tell apart. Neither of them sound very good to me in these examples. I think example 1 sounds most like my Kronos in mono. Which I try to avoid at all times.

[NuSkoolTone]

You want me to compare based on an ambient tablet mic? Seriously?

I would have recorded this direct so I could actually hear the two pianos full spectrum. I mean if take a Stradivarius violin and a cheap Chinese one and record them both, add in ambient noise, cut the highs, cut the lows, to the point it could be someone stepping on a cat, does it matter? What's the point of the comparison and to see if someone can tell the difference?

Apologies if that seems a bit harsh, I honestly just don't get it.

[Aziz1008]

Yes, the recording is not perfect, but not terribly bad, and I think that common people just never judge piano sound for its spectrum without any ambience/reverb. What You Hear Is What You Get (WYHIWYG). If there's a really cardinal difference then it will emerge. But I think Kronos' damper sounds (forgot to switch off) will reveal its piano.

[SanderXpander]

The main problem is not the ambience but the quality of the mic and the fact that it's in mono.

[Aziz1008]

Ok, I'll try to sample them in digital domain later and upload to compare. But to my ears, which hopefully not been stepped upon by a bear)), it sounds almost identical.. True, Kronos has a more natural non-linear piano decay.

[vstkeys]

Ok that was my main point.
Playing the kronos 61 acc piano on its keybed is rubish. Because somenthing is missing it just doesn't work as it simply should , not to mention the retarted key bounce.

But imo it would be better (just for demo purposes) if you could record this into your computer rather than a camera mic as even a casio would be hard to tell apart imofo. But still i can hear on recording that the triton sounds more articulated and the kronis is like waaa waaa

[GregC]

I prefer the accordion

[dfahrner]

SanderXpander and NuSkoolTone have it right - you can't make any valid comparison with the poor audio quality of these samples, so the poll results are meaningless...like GregC, I prefer the accordion to both...

...playing the kronos 61 acc piano on its keybed is rubish. Because somenthing is missing it just doesn't work as it simply should , not to mention the retarted key bounce...

...and this comment just shows (yet again) how individual the feel of any keybed is...to me, the K61 keybed is one of the best semi-weighted keybeds I've ever used, and I have absolutely no problem playing piano part on it...and even if I didn't like it, I wouldn't call it "rubish" or the key bounce "retarted", whatever that's supposed to mean...

But the real question is, why am I wasting my (and everybody else's) time replying to these kind of postings?

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[vstkeys]

dfahrner I love the end of your post haha
Very true why are we wasting time here ?? Me?? i think Im bored its saturday afternoon in Australia. I am watching my kids swiming lesson
But like I said, IMOFO the keybef is rubish for what I do.
Another thing to consider too is that we all in different levels here asfar as playing the keyboard, also i must admit in a pop band situation who would guve a dan about how real the piano sounds? .....oh wait... Perhaps the drunk dude trying to impress the ladies on the dancefloor when he is actually spoiling it for everyone??
So if the kronos 61 suits your playing style, gigs, project , wateva you doing , that's fine, nice to know ! But just remember not everyone is like you here