electribe 2 -sequence patterns via midi

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:51 pm

brasiele wrote:Frenzies

thanks for your answer

here is my studio setup if I had an electribe:

DAW (master midi clock, audio tracks and just one midi track called "electribe", this sends midi data to the electribe telling it which pattern must play and when)
electribe2 (it will output the audio of just 1 or 2 VA instrument and the MIDI of all the instruments)
my hardware synths (played midi by the electribe 16 midi tracks)

everything returns with individual outs to my analog desk, so I can use external outboard of my choice.

at the moment the electribe2 role is done by an RM1X
I love this workflow cause even after hours I still feel very good, while if I was clicking with the mouse staring at the PC display all the time I would then feel sick and unable of doing good tracks!

The RM1X is very old compared to the electribe2 , so I was hoping to find a better sequencer, with more up to date features from Korg, like step jump, individual tracks lenght, ecc ecc I love what they did with Volca sequencers, so I guess electribe will have expanded this even to a couple steps forward.

by the way, where can I download a full manual?
the one I have found is multilingual kind of quick start guide..

I would say that in many ways the RM1x is a more complex sequencer than the electribe. Harder to program, but with more features.

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:05 pm

I bought the RM1x when it first came out and used it for years. I loved it but I hated the fact that you couldn't enter Record mode on the fly.

One cool thing you can do is Sequence the E2 with the RM1x. Record your patterns from the E2 into song mode on the RM1x, then do the split song/pattern function and chop your song up into whatever length patterns you want. The deeper sequencer on the RM1x will then let you add triplets, or 32nd notes or whatever you want that is beyond the scope of the E2 sequencer.
Kind of fun, but I'm having too much fun with the E2s and Octatrack to bother hooking much else up.

As long as you're aware of the limitations of the Electribe (they are posted all over this forum if you are not) then you will have fun with this new machine. More immediate, better sound quality... Load your own samples (E2S).

One thing to be aware of also is the RM1x had really powerfull midi ch. routing and filtering, and this is mostly nonexistent on the E2.

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:41 pm

I really liked the mute memories on the RM1x, i wish this feature was on the new Electribes (maybe 4 of them could be accessed by pressing mute+bar indicator buttons? A further 4 by shift+mute+bar indicator buttons? Hello.... Korg?!... Anybody!?!)

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:58 pm

musicmagus wrote:I bought the RM1x when it first came out and used it for years. I loved it but I hated the fact that you couldn't enter Record mode on the fly.

One cool thing you can do is Sequence the E2 with the RM1x. Record your patterns from the E2 into song mode on the RM1x, then do the split song/pattern function and chop your song up into whatever length patterns you want. The deeper sequencer on the RM1x will then let you add triplets, or 32nd notes or whatever you want that is beyond the scope of the E2 sequencer.
Kind of fun, but I'm having too much fun with the E2s and Octatrack to bother hooking much else up.

As long as you're aware of the limitations of the Electribe (they are posted all over this forum if you are not) then you will have fun with this new machine. More immediate, better sound quality... Load your own samples (E2S).

One thing to be aware of also is the RM1x had really powerfull midi ch. routing and filtering, and this is mostly nonexistent on the E2.

Ive only just put together the e2 and the rm1x and I'm surprised that the midi filtering on the Yamaha doesn't stop the tone generator from sounding. I now have to think about how to put the 2 together. I'd prefer to keep the e2 as the master clock.

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:31 pm

I think there was an update on the rm1x for that but maybe it didn't work??
I still have the upgrade chips somewhere (required 2 IC chips to be installed)

Anyway, the workaround for this is to set each voice on the rm1x to a blank voice (anything other than phrase or one of the internal sounds)
Once you get this going, save it to another pattern to use as a template so you don't have to set it up every time.

Also, song mode on the RM1x is the only way you can record multiple tracks at once.

brasiele · Post by **brasiele** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:31 am

Thanks for your help guys,
I think at the moment I'll stick to the old rm1x,
it a fantastic midi machine indeed!!!

In order to stop the rm1x internal generator playing, isn't it as simple as turning off the internal trigger within the SETUP sub menu? I do it all the times and seems to work fine.

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:18 pm

brasiele wrote:Thanks for your help guys,
I think at the moment I'll stick to the old rm1x,
it a fantastic midi machine indeed!!!

In order to stop the rm1x internal generator playing, isn't it as simple as turning off the internal trigger within the SETUP sub menu? I do it all the times and seems to work fine.

Like I said, there was an OS update for the rm1x that was supposed to fix the problem.
What OS is your rm1x?
Might be worth it for me to install those upgrade chips!

wasstof · Post by **wasstof** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:46 pm

brasiele wrote:
by the way, where can I download a full manual?
the one I have found is multilingual kind of quick start guide..

Unfortunately that IS the Full Manual!

Poumtschak · Post by **Poumtschak** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:08 pm

Frenzies wrote:I'd prefer to keep the e2 as the master clock.

Pity since the RM1x has a MIDI clock a magnitude better than the electribe2.
http://mutable-instruments.net/forum/di ... project/p2

wasstof wrote:Unfortunately that IS the Full Manual!

Don't totally discard the Parameter Guide, which has been updated as per OS 1.17 by the way.
http://www.korg.com/us/support/download ... 67/#manual

brasiele · Post by **brasiele** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:47 pm

Musicmagus,
I have the 1.12 OS installed, but will get the 1.13 delivered soon, just bought it off ebay.

In the SETUP menu you can select for each track both the midi and the internal sound generator channel assignation,
both parameters are switchable to OFF as well.

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:11 pm

brasiele wrote:Musicmagus,
I have the 1.12 OS installed, but will get the 1.13 delivered soon, just bought it off ebay.

In the SETUP menu you can select for each track both the midi and the internal sound generator channel assignation,
both parameters are switchable to OFF as well.

You're right! I was thinking of the program change/phrase voice resetting, which doesn't get filtered out by the program change box in the Utility/midi filter page either.

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:49 pm

My issue seems to be that I don't know how to stop the sounds on the RM1x being triggered by my e2 via midi. I just want to have the ability to trigger patterns only. I will work it out, I think. Not had much chance to play on it yet.

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:06 pm

If you do what brasiele suggested and go to the SETUP menu on the rm1x and turn all the tracks internal sound to off it should work.

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:35 pm

I think that that will stop the internal sequencer from sounding, but not the tone generator section. That will still respond to midi and play when I don't want it to. I need the other way around, I think.
The only way I've worked out so far is to run the midi clock from my KP3+ from the midi thru, as that doesn't send note data in normal modes.

burzum · Post by **burzum** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:52 am

Frenzies wrote:I think that that will stop the internal sequencer from sounding, but not the tone generator section. That will still respond to midi and play when I don't want it to. I need the other way around, I think.
The only way I've worked out so far is to run the midi clock from my KP3+ from the midi thru, as that doesn't send note data in normal modes.

Try to change midi filter settings on midi out in the E2 menu.
I had the same problem hooking my E2 as master for another rm1x.