PA4X - LOG GENUINE SUSPECTED PROBLEMS HERE PLEASE...

[Bescki]

KORG please add Drums volume, Arranger volume, bass volume, lower volume, upper volume assignable sliders...

[Paolo@Korg]

When I want to record mp3 on hard drive mp3 record can not start because hard drive is not spinning and here goes a problem

Problem identified. Thank you for reporting.

Paolo

[mintjamman]

Jonyblues, what a great practicle view of this instrument, I agree 100 % about the control of volumes for parts which are essential for live players and as the Pa4x is marketed for Live work & Performance many of these issues require fixing. At the best part of £2'700 for the 76 key version Korg need to get a move on with these issues, this is not users moaning about nothing or subjective wish lists being asked for BUT features which the arranger should have as standard.

Come on Korg listen to your customers as great as the Pa4x is or could be the jobs not finished your work is not done

I wont be using this live until these issues are addressed and if Korg don't resolve the issues or communicate to its user base what is going to be done

[karmathanever]

Come on Korg listen to your customers .......

If you look at the post above yours, you'll see that Korg IS listening....

[mintjamman]

Well thats reassuring at least as far as the HD sleep problem, maybe korg can give us a steer on exactly what fixes they are making which will overcome the important issues being complained about and when we might see a update to solve these issues, I am sure that if they at least did that it might settle people down

[tkarlmann]

I don't yet own a Pa-4x, BUT I have a thought that I think would solve the HD sleep 'problem at a cost of ~$150 + some screwdriver & computer work.

As an Electronics Engineer for over 35 years, I have built my own PCs. I was surprised to learn that Korg was using a traditional HDD and not an SSD. For $150, I can purchase a 500GB SSD -- (SSD = Solid State Drive) -- the same size, I understand, as the HDD in the Pa-4x. The SSD type drive is much faster, and has no spinning platters and therefore no "spin-up" time is required.

All one would need to do is remove the HDD in the Pa4x, and perform an exact copy to a purchased & formatted SSD. Then replace the HDD with the SSD. To do this properly, a separate computer, plus software to do an exact copy may be required -- I would not know if an "exact" copy is required without looking at the file structure of the Pa-4x drive. Note that this should not adversely affect anyone's Pa-4x, as your HDD is still intact. I'm not sure about copyright laws here -- I'm just trying to help get the Pa-4x's running.

I'm not saying that Korg should not do their best to solve the problem; I'm saying that if some of you are extremely desperate, you could possibly affect this fix yourselves and hopefully end up with a better-performing Pa-4x independent of Korg's activities.

If you try this, please try this at your own risk -- not mine. If this forum would rather have me but-out as a non-Pa-4x owner, then let me know, and I'll delete this post with no harm done.

If it were MY Pa-4x, I would choose to do this anyway -- just to make the whole keyboard work better & faster. I know this because I have replaced my "C:" drive on all my PC's (I've built up about 6 PCs on my own, from separate parts) with SSD's, and they all work better and more reliably as a result. You need to check the read & write times of the SSD and confirm that they are faster than the HDD you are replacing.

As stated: Do this at your own risk, and only if you need the Pa-4x for live performances right away, before Korg solves the problem! I hope this may help someone. Let me know your thoughts.

[AntonySharmman]

tkarlmann and anybody under the same thoughts , just a few things FYI :
- HD in PaSeries after Pa600 , like in Pa3Le & Pa4X do not participate in system anymore , it's just a storage media.
- HD driver is adapted on USB 2 port of mobo , so even as a media storage you just waste your money replacing HD
with an SSD not to mention that existing microSD would be a better storage option !
- OS System files , Rom streaming PCM , localized PCM and custom PCM are exclusively using mobo Flash Nand memory
(probably of 1Gb) that you can gain no access to any of them indirectly.
- For all above you can't accelarate anything in Pa4X just replacing 76 keybed version HD with SSD !

Cheers

[ozdaniel(AD)]

tkarlmann and anybody under the same thoughts , just a few things FYI :
- HD in PaSeries after Pa600 , like in Pa3Le & Pa4X do not participate in system anymore , it's just a storage media.
- HD driver is adapted on USB 2 port of mobo , so even as a media storage you just waste your money replacing HD
- For all above you can't accelarate anything in Pa4X just replacing 76 keybed version HD with SSD !

Cheers

Not agree with you ... sorry!
1. Mp3 and Midi files play better from SSD
2. Style from Direct saved location play/change the settings in real time better from SSD
3. Mp3 Recorder, save better in SSD
4. All transfers data to/from your PC or Mac to/from your Pa4x, are faster with SSD
Can I go on with this list but, I will stop here.

Regards
Daniel

[garabed02]

Hi to all

I'm a new owner of Pa4x. My first global impression is good. However, I've noticed some missing functions that have gone from Pa3x. Here is some examples.

1/ Keyboard split lock for all sounds is not possible anymore. We have to change and save the split for each performance!

2/ Assignable switches can not be locked for all sounds and perf when the instruments turns on because it loads pa3x default piano whith no assign for switch 3.

3/ Split point can not be locked once for all at the startup of the instrument.

Thanks for considering this report.
Regards

[pippuzzo]

Hi there,

have possibly some reply to jonyblues points:

1. The corners/edges of every single key on my PA4x are really sharp and scratch my fingers so much that playing the keyboard becomes extremely uncomfortable and painful.

I have great consideration of the 3X (and therefore 4X) keybed. You are possibly using a lot of organ sounds (that to be honest it is not really one of the best sound to play with a Korg for several reasons), with needs of sliding over the keys, but I can assure that for piano (el. piano, clavinet, solo sounds, etc. etc.) this it is by far the best keybed ever seen in an arranger keyboard. Really hope Korg never change this!

The thing that makes this issue even worse and more problematic, is that when you select this user/direct button (which I believe is going to be one of the most accessed sections for me and many others), the keyboard automatically changes the sound that you are playing.

I think that you can overtake this problem simply de-selecting the autoselect feature in Global. Guess this parameter now active in the factory setup? It was not in 3X but possibly this changed in the last product (not sure) ...

The lower on/off mute button does not work when you are playing without an accompaniment.

Also in this case there is a Backing Arranger (or similar - sorry don't remember exactly the name) parameter in Global. This was originally on in 3X and I immediatly disabled it since I don't like it.

Hope this of help.
Best

[AntonySharmman]

Not agree with you ... sorry!
1. Mp3 and Midi files play better from SSD
2. Style from Direct saved location play/change the settings in real time better from SSD

Daniel , though 1 & 2 shouldn't happen and probably will be addressed in next OS , I do not disagree either , but
I do not refer to media storage (Where microSD can be also used) but for OS & Sound resources speed improvement.

[tkarlmann]

tkarlmann
You can't accelerate anything in Pa4X just replacing 76 keybed version HD with SSD ! Cheers

There are a few posts here with users stating that they were unable to use their Pa-4x in live performances due to the HDD needing to spin up every time the drive was accessed. Correctable in system software for sure, but my post was intended for those needing their Pa-4x NOW.

[Paolo@Korg]

Garo,

1/ Keyboard split lock for all sounds is not possible anymore. We have to change and save the split for each performance!
2/ Assignable switches can not be locked for all sounds and perf when the instruments turns on because it loads pa3x default piano whith no assign for switch 3.
3/ Split point can not be locked once for all at the startup of the instrument.

1/3) In the older instruments, you locked the current situation. In Pa4X, you program a general/global setting – the one you use the most – and save a different split point in each Keyboard Set, when you need it.
- You can change the global split point in the Global > Mode Preferences > Style page (Shift+Split).
- You can change the local/temporary split point by keeping the Split button pressed and pressing the split note.
- A Keyboard Set or SongBook Entry can change the local split point for you.

2) Save your default assignable switch programming (as most programming) by keeping the MY SETTINGS button pressed for one second. This is the Keyboard Set that is automatically selected at boot-up.

Please, watch the Video Manuals and read the Quick Guide. They contain useful information, even if you come from a previous Pa-Series model.

Paolo

[Minneapolis Musician]

The emulated hard disk in memory suddenly failed on my PA4x61.

Now when I try to save a .MID, or record an MP3, the screen flashes a WARNING - File not found" message.

Perhaps the memory overflowed and it corrupted?

Anyway, I'd like the Korg Emulated Disk back and working.

I backed up my resources to a Flash drive.

Will a Factory Restore fix it up? Or a format of the Korg Disk (which shows no files now)?

[garabed02]

Garo,

1/ Keyboard split lock for all sounds is not possible anymore. We have to change and save the split for each performance!
2/ Assignable switches can not be locked for all sounds and perf when the instruments turns on because it loads pa3x default piano whith no assign for switch 3.
3/ Split point can not be locked once for all at the startup of the instrument.

1/3) In the older instruments, you locked the current situation. In Pa4X, you program a general/global setting – the one you use the most – and save a different split point in each Keyboard Set, when you need it.
- You can change the global split point in the Global > Mode Preferences > Style page (Shift+Split).
- You can change the local/temporary split point by keeping the Split button pressed and pressing the split note.
- A Keyboard Set or SongBook Entry can change the local split point for you.

2) Save your default assignable switch programming (as most programming) by keeping the MY SETTINGS button pressed for one second. This is the Keyboard Set that is automatically selected at boot-up.

Please, watch the Video Manuals and read the Quick Guide. They contain useful information, even if you come from a previous Pa-Series model.

Paolo

Hi Paolo,

I hope you're doing good. Glad to see you again .
Thanks a lot for your usefull informations. My mistake, I'll be more carefull next time. I read the manual but not in details. I've got my Pa4x (the last available in France I think) last saturday and I'm enjoying it! There is just some habits to take with it compared to Pa3x.

By the way, is it possible to rename the User keyboard set libraries like I'm doing it for the User favourites styles? I didn't find anything about that in the manual, so I guess It's not possible ?

Thanks again.

Best regards
Garo