(vid) lightshapers - 50 wayz to leave your lover

[shapers1]

sup yallllllllllllllll

not had much time to play with them but its quite nice to go back to limitations of hardware, lack of memory is a little annoying though, if anyones got a "top ten" tips & tricks for these boxes it would be appreciated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBD0ku62mcw

[jbvdb493]

That's a cool video man looks like you don't need tips to learn how to use the boxes!
You should make the track longer!

[apapdop]

Nice!!

[shapers1]

cheers

just a wip/preview tbh, been using them as sketch pads to get ideas down quickly before going into the the daw more than "live" tbh

wish korg had just made a gigantic box with them both combined and a decent sized touch screen as well lol

[shapers1]

and multiple outs....



and more memory lol


and a better manual, the f*ck is that all about

[captain johnson]

and multiple outs....



and more memory lol


and a better manual, the f*ck is that all about

You've got both new electribes you shouldn't have any issues about memory now geez!

[thesigma]

Except they didnt actually increase the memory, they have no more pattern storage or sample memory than the X series. OK, the ACTUAL physical memory for patterns may be more, since there are now 16 parts, you actually get 6 less patterns though.

[Jiggins]

and multiple outs....



and more memory lol


and a better manual, the f*ck is that all about

You've got both new electribes you shouldn't have any issues about memory now geez!

Yeah, if you have both just delete all the samples on the Sampler and you will get 4.5min of mono sample time. How much do you really need to record a few loops?

I don't think it was intended to work with huge phrases or long sound files. Its designed to sample and mangle ...and sequence.

I can see limitations working with just the Sampler alone, but combined with the E2 you have a killer setup. I think Korg designed them to be used togther. It creates a powerful sequencing, sampling/synth combination.

After playing wih the E2 I am now getting the Sampler myself. The reverb is awesome, but I also like using the the Limiter on the output. Now i will be able to use BOTH! Now I just need to figure out which one will be the master

[sauce]

Its designed to sample and mangle ...and sequence

Well, it certainly is terrible at all of those.. Just saying.

[shapers1]

i wouldnt say they are terrible at all, theres just annoying things you have to find workarounds for (but i guess thats part of the charm), i dont like the limited polyphony/voices for example, the machine basically prioritises parts for me or i have to sacrifice something which in 2016 is a lil bit f*ck*ng irritating

theres little bits which could have been improved and i would have happily paid extra for

[Jiggins]

Its designed to sample and mangle ...and sequence

Well, it certainly is terrible at all of those.. Just saying.

Load a phrase sample. Now motion sequence the start point. Now motion sequence the pitch/reverse and throw in some random/bpm filter modulation. Load up distortion effect and using step jump motion sequence the intensity on random steps.

If you find your sample has not been mangled enough then i suggest loading it into a paper shredder. Just saying

[sauce]

I'm not a troll; I'm just saying.. Motion-sequencing the start-point, that now doubles as the reverse knob (terrible design), is really imprecise and sloppy compared to any other sampler, including the ESX.

Also, no timestretch, which is about 15+ years behind the times.

Deep motion-sequence editing is no longer available as a feature, short of a weird, "step-jump"-related accident.

Resampling is no longer fast or intuitive. I am unable to resample from the sample-edit screen, meaning I can't add effects, reverse in real time, change pitch or play back slices out-of-order, and resample the whole thing.

After slicing, I can't audition the entire sliced sample without adding the sample to a pad in a pattern.

No step record.

No non-quantized sequencing.

Only four bars.

No true arpeggiator.

Truly terrible, 24-voice paraphony, which to me really means "phony-poly".

No non-quantized LFO destinations, except for EG and Triangle wave.

Again, I'm not a troll.. I have provided, so far, more resources, more free sample sets and more videos, on the new Electribes, than any other user. But saying it was designed to do, specifically, what it is pretty ho-hum at doing does not really say a lot for the unit.

If you're interested, here is my channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/danieklerr/videos

[Jiggins]

I'm not a troll; I'm just saying.. Motion-sequencing the start-point, that now doubles as the reverse knob (terrible design), is really imprecise and sloppy compared to any other sampler, including the ESX.

Also, no timestretch, which is about 15+ years behind the times.

Deep motion-sequence editing is no longer available as a feature, short of a weird, "step-jump"-related accident.

Resampling is no longer fast or intuitive. I am unable to resample from the sample-edit screen, meaning I can't add effects, reverse in real time, change pitch or play back slices out-of-order, and resample the whole thing.

After slicing, I can't audition the entire sliced sample without adding the sample to a pad in a pattern.

No step record.

No non-quantized sequencing.

Only four bars.

No true arpeggiator.

Truly terrible, 24-voice paraphony, which to me really means "phony-poly".

No non-quantized LFO destinations, except for EG and Triangle wave.

Again, I'm not a troll.. I have provided, so far, more resources, more free sample sets and more videos, on the new Electribes, than any other user. But saying it was designed to do, specifically, what it is pretty ho-hum at doing does not really say a lot for the unit.

If you're interested, here is my channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/danieklerr/videos

Nobody called you a troll on here. I was just surprised by the fact that you dont find it anygood for mangling.

If you focus on what it cannot do compared to the old box then I totally understand your position. But lets make a list of what it can do compared do the old ESX. Actually, I wont go there.

As for resampling, how is it not as fast or intuitive? Shift + record, select Resample, hit pad. That is superior. It waits for you to either play the sequence or hit a pad. You could even hit multiple pads, and it all happens from within the pattern. No need to leave pattern mode.

As for motion sequencing. Step jump has actually made me use it more. Move knob to desired position, holld down a bunch of random steps, press record, turn knob. I have now just edited that group of steps to the same value in one go. Please tell me how this is an accident? Is that really inferior to the old way of editing a single step at a time? Step jump is something new but it has raised the game for me.

I hear you on timestretching, it is a cool effect.

Yes 8 bars would have been nice, but there is a way round this if you don't mind halving your resolution.

I dont remember the old boxes having a true Arpeggiator?

24 voices of paraphony and 16 channels of poly midi sequencing is a step up from the ESX.

Have you not used the Random mod source? That is not quantized and is invaluable in synthesis.

[sauce]

I realize no one called me a troll.. I was just prefacing since it's so common for people to complain about something they don't even use.

Resampling on the new unit is not fun or intuitive at all. Yes, shift+record enters resampling, hit play or a pad (just like the ESX), then sample at will.. But then you can't enter sample mode and audition the sample easily.. Truncating start and end point actually does not give you you unused sample time unless you export all samples and reload them/reboot. Is that really intuitive? What if I want to make six copies of the same sample. loaded into different slots? Should I have to export that sample, then import again and again? What if I want to make slight changes to each of those copies, via filter, fx etc.. Now I have to assign the sample to a pad, make changes in a pattern, resample six more times, trim start and end points, then export all samples *EACH TIME* to get my precious-little-time-even-for-1990's-standards time back? Who designed this thing? Senate republicans?

Using the step jump to motion sequence is an accidental feature; I guarantee it. If not, then why did they actually allow editing of start-point motion sequences? Wouldn't they just tell you to use step-jump and put the whole process in the manual? Is the old process better? Yes, by leaps and bounds.

Timestretching is a *must* for "mangling", right?

Now that you mention resolution.. I really love to write good, glitchy IDM tracks, so yeah.. I request 32nd-note resolution at 16 bars please. You know, like the RM1X from 2002? Thank you in advance, Korg.

The EMX and ESX had powerful, intuitive arpeggiators, in the true sense of the word.

Yes, I have used the random mod source. It is still quite steppy, much like S&H.. It would be a lot more powerful if it faded smoothly from one value to another, like a good wavetable editor.

So yeah.. Cool unit. Seems to be in everyone's arsenal lately. But it's terrible garbage. Fortunately, I used to use terrible garbage in the 1980's, when it was groundbreaking and new, so I know how to find my way through this dung heap.

[Jiggins]

Step jump is merely a way of repeating one or more steps on the sequence. Does it really surprise you that you are able to record data on those steps? I would not call that an accident.

Why do you want to use 6 copies of the same sample truncated? Why not load the same sample into different parts and adjust the start time, pitch, envelope etc... Or slice the sample?

Anyway, these are minor points. If you want the E2s to function like the ESX you will continue to be dissapointed. You need to stop looking at it like an ESX, it is a different beast. Like I said earlier, why don't we switch things round and look at what the ESX cannot do that the E2S can:

Play chords.

An actually useable reverb and pro sounding multi fx.

Polyphonic sequencing of other midi gear.

A useful analogue clock source.

Velocity sensitive pads.

Groove templates

Pattern export for DAW integration.

Sequence ipad apps - USB Midi

Battery pack...


If none of these things are useful to you then fair play.