Pa4x OS 1.2.0

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:47 pm

@goranbeograd

Can you find out what SYSEX MSG is sending Pa3x when you press Transpose??
You can do with USB connection and MID-OX program.
...or anybody with Pa3x.. we know already SYSEX form Pa4x (tnx Pete)
We are so close to find exactly what happen with Pa4x.
Maybe Paolo will try to investigate this, he is on best position to do this.
Frankly, I am nicely surprise Korg Arrangers can do it, is a function which is not advertised

zoric · Post by **zoric** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:56 pm

I just contacted Goran and waiting for the reply....can you involve Paolo in this matter,I've sent him PM a couple of days before but no answer...maybe he can help if we are so close to the solution!?

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:27 pm

I got same access to Paolo like you, I'm only forum member, Korg lover.

I'm sure if he read this he will take action.

I am keep doing research on SYSEX allow for Kronos and maybe (not sure) I see error.

00 F0 7F 3F 04 04 00 41 F7
00 F0 7F 3F 04 04 00 42 F7

this seems OK except 00 is for Pitch Bend Sensitivity ( Bend Range ), 01 for Fine Tune ( Detune ) and 02 for Coarse Tune ( Transpose ),
which make me think SYSEX should looks like: 00 F0 7F 3F 04 04 02 41 F7 instead 00 F0 7F 3F 04 04 00 41 F7.... but again, just my suggesting .
35 ~ 4B (-11 ~ +11 semitones), 40 for no transposition, which giving 41 for +1 semitone transpose.
we see when someone post SYSEX from Pa3x.

zoric · Post by **zoric** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:32 pm

Great observation Nemik!

goranbeograd · Post by **goranbeograd** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:43 pm

@Nemik

Can you tell my please what should i do?Step by step...

goranbeograd · Post by **goranbeograd** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:09 pm

SYSEX For Pa3x

When i tuch transpose ...
SYSEX F0 7F 7F 04 04 00 3F F7

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:22 pm

goranbeograd wrote:SYSEX For Pa3x

When i tuch transpose ...
SYSEX F0 7F 7F 04 04 00 3F F7

post SYSEX for Transpose up and Transpose down

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:29 pm

This how should look SYSEX for Kronos:

Master Coarse Tune ( Control Transpose (chromatic step) in Global )
[ F0,7F,0g,04,04,vv,mm,F7 ] 3rd byte g : Global Channel
6th byte vv : Value(LSB)
7th byte mm : Value(MSB)
mm,vv = 34,00:-12, 40,00:+00, 4C,00:+12

goranbeograd · Post by **goranbeograd** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:34 pm

SYSEX Down F0 7F 7F 04 04 00 40 F7

SYSEX Up F0 7F 7F 04 04 00 41 F7

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:47 pm

So now we all know different

Pa3x SYSEX
F0 7F 7F 04 04 00 40 F7 (-)
F0 7F 7F 04 04 00 41 F7 (+)

Pa4x SYSEX
F0 7F 3F 04 04 00 41 F7
F0 7F 3F 04 04 00 42 F7

third one: 3F, 7F is global channel,
but, before last one is value, which we have different.

@MarcoNp
is both up and down not working??

goranbeograd · Post by **goranbeograd** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:04 am

Works when you push both...Turn on zero both...

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:12 am

goranbeograd wrote:Works when you push both...Turn on zero both...

you mean on Pa4x works when you push both??
can you check SYSEX on both together on Pa3x (reset)
and maybe someone check all 3 SYSEX on Pa4x ??

looks to me like small bug with programming, easy to fix.. of course by Korg

Post by **karmathanever** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:57 am

OK - a bit more:-
SYSEX!!!

PA4X transpose up and down:
F0 7F 3F 04 04 00 41 F7 (up)
F0 7F 3F 04 04 00 42 F7 (down)

Kronos (transpose in set list):
00 F0 42 30 68 43 25 00 00 14 00 00 00 01 F7 (up)
00 F0 42 30 68 43 25 00 00 14 00 00 00 00 F7 (down)

Kronos "key transpose value change" (GLOBAL):-
00 F0 42 30 68 43 0F 00 00 01 00 00 00 04 F7 (up)
00 F0 42 30 68 43 0F 00 00 1A 00 00 00 01 F7 (down)
(These vary depending on transpose value)

I don't think PA1/2/34X to Kronos would ever work.

Cheers

Pete

newkorgguy · Post by **newkorgguy** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:55 am

newkorgguy wrote:I can confirm that it worked on my Kronos X (SOLD) and Pa3X

If i transpose Pa3x -1, Kronos X Global will show -1 for transpose as well
Pa4 has issue with this!

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:19 am

karmathanever wrote:
I don't think PA1/2/34X to Kronos would ever work.

Is only one way to find out

We need to find someone who own Pa3x and Kronos and test it.

Personally for me this function is useless, I'm from group people who don't transpose keys, I play in scale whatever is, no need to transpose, but many people love transpose and since was working on Pa3x I think is no harm to make work on Pa4x.
I am more concern if midi out chord is sending like they say in manual:

Chord
Use this channel to send notes recognized by the Chord Recognition
engine to the MIDI OUT or USB DEVICE port. This is useful, for example,
to control an external Harmonizer playing on the Lower part
(even if the part is muted).

or still like in Pa600 is sending only notes (by passing) from keyboard before Chord Recognition engine.
This in my opinion is very useful function to work with 2-nd keyboard.
Was be perfect if is working on Chord Sequencer too, could have free hand and still sending chords to external arpeggiator.

BTW, can somebody check on this???