Probably need karma help, but other ideas welcome

[LZ]

I know I could do this with RPPR but trying to stick to a combi and not a song.

Here's what I need to do: hit a note and have it sustain that note, fade out and into an octave higher, then fade out of that and into an octave higher still. It's a soft synth string lad with slow attack/release so although ideally it would be locked to song tempo, it can be pretty loose - thinking if I get the timing right the drummer would have to be WAYYYY off for it not to work. If I could hold the key I could almost do it with envelopes in AL1. But I need to just hit it with my pinky and have it do its thing as I'm playing other parts.

So need some advice how to do with Karma, or other suggestions.

[StephenKay]

I would bet you can do this with GE 000. If you play a single note it will jump around octaves. Use the Note Range slider to choose how many octaves you want. Use the Rhythm Pattern Slider at the top (127) to get the longest rhythmic value.

Since KARMA can only "play" the notes, you'll have to do the fade-in/out thing with the programs envelopes.

(Actually, you could do this with KARMA too with a custom GE, using the Envelopes to fade-in/out CC#11 Expression, and having them retrigger with every note. But I'm not sure you're asking to go there...)

[19naia]

I was just thinking today about the GE's that let me hit a note and move on while the GE plays the note out only over a few measures with whatever pattern and parameter settings, no need sustain, it doesn't run continuous like normal arps unless i hit the note continuously.
I used one in a combi before and i found the GE among a few similar ones in a certain category. It was a sparse category of just a few GE's.

I was wondering if there was a certain GE parameter setting that would allow any GE to play a note through patterns just for a few measures and quit unless the note is Pressed again? Or is that aspect built into the GE and not a parameter setting that can be made into any GE?

If its not a parameter setting, does Karma software allow us to customize such GE's for user GE slots?
Also i see USER GE files in Disk mode but never saw a way to access it, i looked up karma labs and that has me assuming that its only accesible for filling in from Karma software. ?

Thanks.

[19naia]

I know I could do this with RPPR but trying to stick to a combi and not a song.

Here's what I need to do: hit a note and have it sustain that note, fade out and into an octave higher, then fade out of that and into an octave higher still. It's a soft synth string lad with slow attack/release so although ideally it would be locked to song tempo, it can be pretty loose - thinking if I get the timing right the drummer would have to be WAYYYY off for it not to work. If I could hold the key I could almost do it with envelopes in AL1. But I need to just hit it with my pinky and have it do its thing as I'm playing other parts.

So need some advice how to do with Karma, or other suggestions.

Not sure how well Drum track patterns hold sustain and other control inputs, but RPPR patterns can hold sustain or basically the content of a midi track. Then that RPPR pattern can be made a user pattern accessible to drum track in Combi or Program mode. But theres the issue of start and stopping the pattern and also having only one drum track.

Sample the whole fade and octave shift as you play it how you want putting it together in a midi track with event edit and all ,and then convert the sample into a program, but then how to get it to sustain through the whole length without the sustain pedal.
I found a Karma GE that sustained the Car Pass SFX program for me with a bit of arp patterning to it. So that may be able to sustain a sample based program of your octave rise line. Not sure if the sustain length will carry through your needed length or what parameter settings can extend it or shorten it.
The "Real-Time"Category of GE's do sustain of arp effects and just for a short length before stopping, and thats even with Karma on latch. Some are longer than others and they have various patterning to them but they overide the latch to sutain out only a given length and then stop.

I just did a test, program resample of a slow synth where i sampled holding one note and letting it fade out, then hit the next octave and letting it fade and then the next octave up and letting it fade. Then converted the resample to a program and then assigned Karma GE 2035 Compu-shift from the real-time category and that GE sutained the entire sample start to finish in the program ,off of one note and it was all there with no GE patterning chopping it up.
It worked but not sure what length the GE can sustain max or minimum.
I did the slow synth letting each note build up fully and fade out fully, then to the next fully and then the final fully, covering three octaves and that was the full sample that compu-shift fully sustained out for me.
I counted at least 25 flashes of the tap tempo light at 120bpm for the full sustain of the sample run only by karma, no sustain pedal and no holding the note. There was a bit of modulation at the attack and less through to the end. Maybe the modulation can be worked in GE Parameters?
I guess theres a matter of timing the sample to the timing you need and maybe some GE Parameter settings for Compu-shift will bring in more fun tricks of the trade. I think it better to work out the octave rise line in sequencer and sample the finshed product from there.

Thanks anyway for the idea to try it out. It worked doing the sample of it converted to program and then the right GE to sustain the program for me while i moved on to play other stuff stacked in the Combi.

[StephenKay]

I was wondering if there was a certain GE parameter setting that would allow any GE to play a note through patterns just for a few measures and quit unless the note is Pressed again? Or is that aspect built into the GE and not a parameter setting that can be made into any GE?

I think what you might be referring to is having a GE that is latched, and once triggered, plays a few measures of a pattern and then stops by itself. As different from a GE that is not latched, where it stops as soon as you release the keys.

There are several parameters in a GE that can cause that behavior. There is a Phase Pattern parameter named "Total Steps" that is usually set to "infinite" which means the pattern just loops forever as long as it is latched or you hold the keys. However, this can be set to a numeric value, and for example, if it was set to "1", the GE would play through 1 Phase Pattern steps which might be a single bar of 4/4 and then stop. However, this parameter is usually not hooked up to one of the 32 GE RTP and as such, you can only get at it with the KARMA software.

If its not a parameter setting, does Karma software allow us to customize such GE's for user GE slots?

Yes, you can apply this parameter to any existing GE as an edit using the KARMA Kronos Software.

Another way of doing this is to have a Velocity Envelope programmed as part of the GE, such that when the keys are release, the velocity dies down slowly until it hits 0 - then the GE stops. There are a few of these in the factory voicing...but once again, if you want to add this to a GE, you would need to use the KK software.

Also i see USER GE files in Disk mode but never saw a way to access it, i looked up karma labs and that has me assuming that its only accesible for filling in from Karma software?

It can only be filled by using the KARMA Kronos software, or by loading a .KGE file that someone else has prepared using the KARMA Kronos software.

[LZ]

Didn't think about just sampling it back in - that's a good idea. I did that a long time ago with a complex brass fall. I sequenced all the individual brass parts falling at slightly different rates and doing chromatic falls as well, then just sampled it back in and assigned it to one not. Maybe that's the way I'll go.

Thanks all for the help!

[19naia]

Didn't think about just sampling it back in - that's a good idea. I did that a long time ago with a complex brass fall. I sequenced all the individual brass parts falling at slightly different rates and doing chromatic falls as well, then just sampled it back in and assigned it to one not. Maybe that's the way I'll go.

Thanks all for the help!

Just got through another topic using Wave seq. in global to make arp line. Each step is sample stocked, so you can insert preset or make user sample for each step, Xfade between steps, transpose and tune between each step and duration per each step and multiplier in duration. You can Set the Mode to Tempo, up by the tempo edit cell and that will run it rhythm synced wherever you use it. Then the custom wave sequence can be used in a Karma enabled program with the right GE to drive it in tempo sync ,that would not be there in a basic sample.
This Video link covers the basics but if you get into the step parameters for transpose,tune and duration settings per step, you should be able to create what you want. A little extra work but tempo sync and amazing finished products are there to be had.

https://youtu.be/RgEByCYvdDI

[Muzztone]

Sample it in and put in on a key in a program.
When I have to do this I always start out using RPPR and give up in favour of sampling.
One problem is that RPPR appears to be quantised to each beat or bar of the tempo of your song. So when playing live you go out of time with the drummer (unless playing to a click, which we avoid)

[StephenKay]

Sample it in and put in on a key in a program.
When I have to do this I always start out using RPPR and give up in favour of sampling.
One problem is that RPPR appears to be quantised to each beat or bar of the tempo of your song. So when playing live you go out of time with the drummer (unless playing to a click, which we avoid)

Well, RPPR does follow the tempo setting of the Kronos. It has to follow some tempo, right? You might try using the "tap tempo" feature, if that's possible within the way you are performing.

[ksi]

Sample it in and put in on a key in a program.
When I have to do this I always start out using RPPR and give up in favour of sampling.
One problem is that RPPR appears to be quantised to each beat or bar of the tempo of your song. So when playing live you go out of time with the drummer (unless playing to a click, which we avoid)

Hm, I wonder how you adapt tempo of a sample?

Or is it the onset you are talking about?

If its the onset, then have you checked the Sync option in the RPPR Setup page? There is option Off to let you freely choose the onset of the pattern.