Rotary Effekt in PaX4

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:54 am

The classic set up for JS organ is Leslie slow, C3, 3rd HP (soft) BUT of course JS recorded a lot of songs!!!
I love this setup because it is like one of my favourite JS tunes "Soft Winds" (album:- "Blue Bash")
You can switch the Leslie to fast with it but I think it loses the sound I like.

There are some really great and useful "Hammond/Leslie" settings documents on the Internet - settings from well known songs etc...
These have helped me.

Sent you PM.

Pete

Bernie9 · Post by **Bernie9** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:17 pm

Where do you assign Drawbars to output 1 and 2. for my Vent. I have 1 and 2 coming out of Pa4x to Vent with separate channel on my mixer. I am getting Leslie swirling noise with no organ sound.

My Audya has a separate drawbar assign for sub out.
Bernie

mstodola · Post by **mstodola** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:48 pm

Pete

Thank you for all the info. I appreciate it.

The leslie 122 and the Vent basically do the same thing to the sound referencing a youtube :

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ve ... &FORM=VIRE

It seems to have a resonant, midrange..y sound that allows it to scream when desired. An expression pedal to adjust volume would also be useful.

The Pa4X leslie is pretty close. To use the Vent one would have to change all the organs to turn off the leslie. The Vent 2 is so adjustable I can't imagine not being able to find your favorite settings. I'm guessing that a Leslie 122, is not a Leslie 122, is not a Leslie 122. Meaning, as analog is, not repeatable. Shipping to Oz is pretty expensive (165 usd) or I'd send it to you to try it.

Bernie9 · Post by **Bernie9** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:03 pm

You wont be able to turn off some Leslies in the presets, as they are sampled that way. This is meant for "Drawbar" sounds.

mstodola · Post by **mstodola** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:13 pm

Bernie9
You are right I forgot about that.

mstodola · Post by **mstodola** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:49 pm

Update on NeoVentilator. I have found the Ventilator to be useful but not necessary. When I compare the 'Pa4x organ sounds with leslie' to the 'Pa4x organ sounds with no leslie + NeoVent', I found that they were very similar. The leslie in the Pa4x is very good. But I like adding the NeoVent because it makes the very good Pa4x organ sounds scream when desired; good for solos.

Most of the organ sound patches have the leslie included in the sample. I went into one of the patches and turned off all the LFOs and Leslie effects and they still have the leslie running.

So because most of the sounds in the Pa4x have the leslie in the sample, using the NeoVent is to add leslie to leslie. If you like that sound, and I do for some of the sounds, then the NeoVent is useful.

The NeoVent is (in my opinion) the best Leslie simulator I've used. It sounds so realistic because they got both the leslie effect and the smooth distortion correct. But the Pa4x Leslie is very good too.

I hope this helps. Everything is personal.

Bernie9 · Post by **Bernie9** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:06 pm

I,personally, agree. The Leslie is good on the PA4x. So much so that I use the NeoVent on My Audya, for one, that has great drawbars, but not great on the Leslie sim, and leave it home with my Korg.

Like you say, it is very personal and subjective, All of my Hammonds through the years have each sounded a bit different.

jazzmammal · Post by **jazzmammal** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:05 am

This subject is of great interest to me too. I'm considering the Pa4X and the B3 is of primary importance. I have a Vent that I use with my SK1 and it's a pretty dramatic difference and the SK1's sim isn't bad either.

I don't expect an arranger to be a dedicated organ clone, just be good. If it's good I would sell my SK1 even if the Korg isn't quite as good. I can tell from a bunch of Korg vids that the basic drawbar sound has been vastly improved from the Pa3 and earlier PA's. If I need an arranger for a gig I still use my venerable old Pa1XPro and the reason I've never upgraded it to the 2 or 3 is the crap organ sound.

My understanding is if you're in drawbar mode on the Korg then there is no default leslie effect, correct? Or if there is you can easily remove it and save the patch as a user?

Next, the drawbars can be routed to the Aux outs? How does that work when playing styles? Do the style parts go through the regular outs but if I want to do an organ solo, that still goes through the Aux?

Finally, those who are B3 fanatics like I am, how good is the C/V?

If anybody wants to hear what a Vent sounds like check out some Jim Alfredson vids on YouTube. He did a series of them comparing the Vent to his original Leslie 122 going direct into his DAW. The Vent is amazing. It sounds exactly like a recorded 122. The only thing you would be missing is if you were on a small stage with a real Leslie you would hear the sound bouncing all over the room but if it's a bigger room and the Leslie was mic'd then if you're out front listening to the PA you could not tell the difference.

I go through the Spacestation V.3 and it sounds great. That's another story in another thread.

Bob

mstodola · Post by **mstodola** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:27 pm

The Drawbars Organ does have a default leslie and it is default turned on but you can turn on the brake to get rid of the rotating effect. The problem is that the EQ that is created by the leslie within the Pa4x can not be turned off or bypassed so you end up with a double peaked EQ leslie from the Pa4x inline with the Vent. The way you can get around that is to use the alternate outputs 1 and 2 without effects on the Pa4x to the Vent for just the Organ sounds.

The styles go thru the main out and the organ thru the output 1 and 2 (what you call aux). You would probably have to use a mixer inline with the Spacestation for this setup. The manual describes how to set it up.

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:21 pm

A B3 or any Hammond would not operate like that

How have you got the Vent hooked up may I ask ?

mstodola · Post by **mstodola** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:52 pm

Basic setup. I have the Pa4x plugged into keyboard amp, all eq flat. I tried the Vent inline with the main outs and it is what it is. I went into the edit mode and edited what is allowed within the Pa4x Drawbar Organ patch. The Pa4x isn't a hammond. I didn't make. I have to use it as it was built. I'm sorry it doesn't meet with your approval. I was just responding to jazzmammal's questions.

jazzmammal · Post by **jazzmammal** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:58 pm

Thanks and I understand what you mean. Part of me is searching for the holy grail of lightweight Hammond clones. The new XK5 or Mojo comes to mind because I can dive in and be as fanatical as anybody..BUT...I really need a high quality collection of other sounds too so that means double racking which is a pain sometimes.

I also have great fun using an arranger. I'm always looking for one keyboard that does it all and until now the Pa series organ was the deal breaker for me which is why I never used my Pa1X for regular gigs, only for specific one man band things.

Like a lot of older players I have a collection of pro quality keyboards starting with my PC3 and the Pa1X and an XK1 and the Roland and the other Roland, and, and (damn I'm overloaded with stuff) that I could get decent money that would pay for most of a new 4X and I'm seriously considering it. I also really like the new black look with the Oasys touches.

Bob

mstodola · Post by **mstodola** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:31 pm

I'm like you. I'm an older musician who has used and own a lot of equipment. I hate hauling around a lot equipment which is why I own the Spacestation v2 and v3. I've gone to 12" speaker cabinets instead of 15 just to cut the size and weight. Arranger wise I own General Musics SK76, Yamaha S710, and now the Korg Pa4x. Reliability wise, the SK76 and the S710 beat the Pa4x hands down. I'm already having electrical and mechanical problems and I've owned it only 6 months. Sound wise the Pa4x is a little better than the Korg Oasys which I also own. The Oasys is an awesome tool but weighs a ton which is why I rarely use it.

The Pa4x organs fall into two categories as you probably know (I have no idea how similar the Pa1x is to the Pa4x). One type samples two versions of an organ - one with slow leslie and one with fast leslie. And the two versions don't speed up or down (not very realistic). The other is Drawbars which allows you to move 9 sliders like on a hammond. This version has a leslie emulation that does speed up and down and sounds real enough. But it doesn't allow you to remove it from the chain because it is not implemented like a normal effect but as part of the program which makes the Vent not as useful as it could be with this particular keyboard. I'm not an organ expert so the Jimmy Smith program is what I use the most, but it doesn't allow the leslie to slide between slow and fast which is why I was trying the Vent. But because the way the organ was implemented with the leslie part of the sample it can't be done. I doesn't seem like a real musician was involve with the design, or the musician plays music unlike that which is played here in the US. I think Europe is in control of the arranger market. And the US controls the workstation. So us in the US are really better off buying workstations.