Editing Organ Drawbars

stkeys · Post by **stkeys** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:59 pm

I've watched the video tutorials and checked out the manual but I can't find the answer to this question.

How do I save the Organ Drawbar Sound after editing it?

I can save it as a Set and also save it to the Songbook but how do I save it to the User Sound bank locations?

pa4x_user · Post by **pa4x_user** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:23 am

Hi,

Can't verify solutions for sure (as my Pa4X is on order), but check p446 of the Owner Manual 'Writing the Sounds'.

Let us know if that works, it is something I would definitely want to be able to do.

stkeys · Post by **stkeys** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:12 pm

Ok I checked that page out and it doesn't apply to Drawbar changes.
There is no " Write " in the drop down menu after making changes to Drawbars.

I was able to choose an organ " Sound ", edit that and then the " Write " screen appears in the drop down but not when setting up Drawbars.

The Drawbar editing screen is different from the normal Sound editing screen.

I must be missing something, but judging from the lack of replies it seems I'm not the only one who can't figure this out.

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:13 pm

You need to save as user sounds,

Ex: Open Drawbar organ, customise the drawbar settings as you wish, then save as a user sound.

What I tend to do is create as many drawbar configurations as you need, say

16.8.5/3 Name That as the numerical drawbar settings so when you see it in a User set or in user sounds you immediately know what sound it is, the next set could be 16.8.5/3. 1- 3rd. Save.

This way you have quick access to any drawbar sounds you might need,

Works for me

stkeys · Post by **stkeys** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:09 pm

Ex: Open Drawbar organ, customise the drawbar settings as you wish, then save as a user sound.

Thanks but how exactly do you save as a user sound?

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:07 pm

stkeys.

The Manual covers saving User Sounds and there are the Korg Tutorial Videos which came on the DVD with your Pa4x, Its a good idea to have a read and watch to get a quick overview of the basic core functions. Here are a couple of screen shots to give you an idea of how I organise my organ sounds.

Before you do anything go to Factory Sounds and select ORGAN family, select drawbars. Then go to the top right hand corner of the screen and get the drop down menu, here you will see the option to copy and paste, copy and paste the Drawbars to a user location. When you go to copy and paste you will be taken to a screen where all the sounds/patches are GREYED out, look at the tab above and you will see Factory highlighted, select USER, Press the 1st available user slot and the Drawbar patch from factory will be copied into that user slot.
From here you can choose various organ settings like Percussion, Leakage etc along with the footages and make your own presets. It is then just of a job of copy paste from that location into as many organ presets you need each subsequent one being a variation as you choose.

Hope this gets you started !

chelsea4023 · Post by **chelsea4023** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:41 pm

Hi all,

Just a quick mention what a downer when I found out you can only assign physical drawbars to upper or lower but not upper and lower together at the same time. This is achievable on Tyros keyboards. Hopefully they can address this in a future update.
Must say that the drawbars do sound brilliant though, in particular the characteristics of the digital leslie. The wind up and wind down is impressive to say the least.

Chris

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:49 pm

At first I thought this was a letdown but Korg have thoughtfully given us some great presets which can been used for lower manual sounds and when used with the drawbars on the upper this works really well.

stkeys · Post by **stkeys** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:48 am

MintJamman, thanks for the detailed reply. I had watched the videos a few times and read the manual, I just missed the concept of first saving the Drawbar preset sound before editing them.

I was looking for a way to edit and save the original Drawbar Sound not realizing I needed to copy and paste the factory Drawbar setting first.

So again thanks for your help.

I wish I could agree with those who love the sounds of the Digital Drawbars on the PA4x but unfortunately I don't like them. Even when putting them through my Neo Vent 2 pedal I find them lacking.

The Korg Module App for the iPad has more convincing organs and Leslie sounds IMHO.

I tried it with the Neo Vent but to be honest it wasn't needed. The App does everything I need especially with the Premier Organ addon Pack.

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:35 am

Their are mixed reviews about the Pa4x Tonewheel section, I come at it from being a Hammond player and owner for a long time and still use one of my Hammond A100s live with a Leslie when the job requires it and I also have a Crumar Mojo which can be hooked to the Leslie's or my Neo Vent.

I don't happen to rate the CX3 organs, the CX3 modelling on the Kronos or any of the Roland Drawbar organ sounds on their organs or arrangers.
I have of course run the Pa4x through the Vent but was not keen on the result as their is something lacking in the basic tone of the Pa4x Drawbar sounds especially on the mid/high tones. The Vib/chorus needs looking at as well,
That all said I prefer the Pa4x organ tones and in the mix of the arranger or band they work but it has to be run in stereo. The Pa4x organs are way better than the Roland effort and better than the Tyros 5 imho.

The Korg Module you refer to is rated by some of the guys here and as yet I have not got around to getting that but will give it a try.

Enjoy the Pa4x it is a versatile creative piece of kit with a lot of flexibility

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:38 am

Their are mixed reviews about the Pa4x Tonewheel section, I come at it from being a Hammond player and owner for a long time and still use one of my Hammond A100s live with a Leslie when the job requires it and I also have a Crumar Mojo which can be hooked to the Leslie's or my Neo Vent.

I don't happen to rate the CX3 organs, the CX3 modelling on the Kronos or any of the Roland Drawbar organ sounds on their organs or arrangers.
I have of course run the Pa4x through the Vent but was not keen on the result as their is something lacking in the basic tone of the Pa4x Drawbar sounds especially on the mid/high tones. The Vib/chorus needs looking at as well,
That all said I prefer the Pa4x organ tones and in the mix of the arranger or band they work but it has to be run in stereo. The Pa4x organs are way better than the Roland effort and better than the Tyros 5 imho.

The Korg Module you refer to is rated by some of the guys here and as yet I have not got around to getting that but will give it a try.

Enjoy the Pa4x it is a versatile creative piece of kit with a lot of flexibility

stkeys · Post by **stkeys** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:49 pm

in the mix of the arranger or band they work

I agree with you, they sound good in the arranger mix.

I'm really enjoying the Funk & Blues Style category, having fun changing drum kits and basses then saving them as Songbook entries.

My main gripe with the Korg is when changing variations and fills.
You have to be more precise when pressing the buttons. This has been the case with every Korg arranger I've owned.

On the Tyros you can press them anywhere in a bar and they wait for the next measure before changing making the transition always a smooth one, but the korg doesn't do this, it changes straight away causing what sounds like a glitch in the backing. Sometimes more noticeable than others.

I wish the Fill buttons just gave us Drum fills rather than adding instruments. A lot of times the fill adds instruments that are not playing at the time in the arrangement making the fill too busy/loud.

I've been thinking of getting a Crumar Mojo 61, how do you rate your Mojo?
Does it benefit from the Neo Vent or is the internal Rotor sim as good?

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:27 pm

I agree regarding the Fill features on the Pa4x and it would be a real boon if Korg took a leaf out of the Tyros for tidying this up!

Slightly off topic the Mojo is superb and the next best alternative when a console organ cannot be used or you just don't want the issues that go with running a tonewheel in 2016.

You don't need the Vent as the onboard Leslie is great and now refined by the guys at Crumar, however the Vent does add something which is the overdrive which sounds like a pair of 6550s being overdriven and saturated which the Mojo and others all miss.

jazzmammal · Post by **jazzmammal** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:40 pm

Now you're getting into the deep weeds of personal preference. In addition to the Vent I also have the Gsi Burn which is what the Mojo sim is based on and it may be identical for all I know. The Burn has an excellent leslie as well but the difference is the overdrive and internal sound shaping. If you really like that burbling 122 full on overdrive the Vent can't be beat except by possibly the HX3.

To further throw a curveball into this, it depends on what you're using for amplification too. A good leslie sim needs to be in stereo which means two separate powered speakers or in my case the Spacestation. If you're using a single keyboard amp or speaker you lose some of that plus there can be a huge difference between different brands like QSC, JBL, EV, Yamaha etc. Then add a mixer with tone controls and one guy can get a completely different sound than another person using the same organ clone and leslie sim.

There is no one standard Hammond/Leslie sound.

Bob

mintjamman · Post by **mintjamman** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:46 pm

I have not tried the Spacestation as they are not common in the UK but from what I gather the output is shy for live work. I always use a stereo setup for amplifying all of my keyboards and when using either the Mojo, Mojo with the Vent or the Pa4x all of the organ sims benefit from such a setup. The Mojo also has another trick up its sleeve in that you can configure the output to work as a vertical stack with two cabinets near the player fully separated frequency wise, although this is not how I use it. Getting back to the Pa4x I have tried it with the vent but you then have to route the organ sounds via the two aux outputs.

There is no one standard Hammond/Leslie sound.

Except when you are using that pair together ?

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