OS 3.1.0 - What is the big deal apart from bug fixes?

[Leone]

Perhaps it is only me, but I use the Kronos 2 as a workstation, so happy with Karma and sequencer - do not like to use DAW on a PC or Mac.

I am glad there is a new update for the kronos and that lots of bug fixes have been resolved, but I struggle to see what else for me is this delivering.

Quick split / layer? That's a bit disappointing. Yes they are easier to create but the Kronos already has the ability to create splits and layers. I do not get it; if you want to make something new why not adding:

- Piano roll
- More Karma module (I love the montage with 8 independent arps)
- Ability to make your GE via one track in the sequencer and import it (like the Montage does via the simple recorder with os v1.2.4)
- A hardware upgrade to get rid of the polyphony problems with combi (there are keyboards out there that have more polyphony under the hood)
- more track in the sequencers (I miss my Roland Fantom G with 128 tracks)
- add mouse support (like the Roland Fantom G)
- a new synth engine - a bit more modern in sounds and perhaps dedicated to dance / trance / edm

You could go on with lots of other requests, that are not new at all.

Also after looking at the User Interface of the new QUick Split / Layer it looks like being done on a cheap...

Do not get me wrong I love that Korg is keeping producing updates but I think they could do a bit more, particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Leone

[GregC]

Perhaps it is only me, but I use the Kronos 2 as a workstation, so happy with Karma and sequencer - do not like to use DAW on a PC or Mac.

I am glad there is a new update for the kronos and that lots of bug fixes have been resolved, but I struggle to see what else for me is this delivering.

1)Quick split / layer? That's a bit disappointing. Yes they are easier to create but the Kronos already has the ability to create splits and layers. I do not get it; if you want to make something new why not adding:

- Piano roll
2) More Karma module (I love the montage with 8 independent arps)
- Ability to make your GE via one track in the sequencer and import it (like the Montage does via the simple recorder with os v1.2.4)
3)- A hardware upgrade to get rid of the polyphony problems with combi (there are keyboards out there that have more polyphony under the hood)
- more track in the sequencers (I miss my Roland Fantom G with 128 tracks)
- add mouse support (like the Roland Fantom G)
4) a new synth engine - a bit more modern in sounds and perhaps dedicated to dance / trance / edm

You could go on with lots of other requests, that are not new at all.

1)Also after looking at the User Interface of the new QUick Split / Layer it looks like being done on a cheap...

Do not get me wrong I love that Korg is keeping producing updates but I think they could do a bit more,

5) particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Leone

I think your list is pretty good.

I would like to expand on some of your points.

1) I don't know about ' cheap ' or ' disappointing '. From what I read having splits or layers on the fly is huge for gigging keyboardists. Many other boards have this feature as buttons.

2) I would give up on ' more Karma ' for this Kronos

3) More hardware = a new Korg w/s. The OS is the limitation from what I read.

4) Adding a sound engine. The Kronos might have a hardware limit. See #3.
Personally, I am not into EDM .

5) Not exactly. Thats a simplification. Kronos uses common PC components. Its a specialized Linux device.

This upgrade is free. Free is good. Free is cool. If 3.1 is not so for you, 3.0.4 might be good enough

[Leone]

Perhaps it is only me, but I use the Kronos 2 as a workstation, so happy with Karma and sequencer - do not like to use DAW on a PC or Mac.

I am glad there is a new update for the kronos and that lots of bug fixes have been resolved, but I struggle to see what else for me is this delivering.

1)Quick split / layer? That's a bit disappointing. Yes they are easier to create but the Kronos already has the ability to create splits and layers. I do not get it; if you want to make something new why not adding:

- Piano roll
2) More Karma module (I love the montage with 8 independent arps)
- Ability to make your GE via one track in the sequencer and import it (like the Montage does via the simple recorder with os v1.2.4)
3)- A hardware upgrade to get rid of the polyphony problems with combi (there are keyboards out there that have more polyphony under the hood)
- more track in the sequencers (I miss my Roland Fantom G with 128 tracks)
- add mouse support (like the Roland Fantom G)
4) a new synth engine - a bit more modern in sounds and perhaps dedicated to dance / trance / edm

You could go on with lots of other requests, that are not new at all.

1)Also after looking at the User Interface of the new QUick Split / Layer it looks like being done on a cheap...

Do not get me wrong I love that Korg is keeping producing updates but I think they could do a bit more,

5) particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Leone

I think your list is pretty good.

I would like to expand on some of your points.

1) I don't know about ' cheap ' or ' disappointing '. From what I read having splits or layers on the fly is huge for gigging keyboardists. Many other boards have this feature as buttons.

2) I would give up on ' more Karma ' for this Kronos

3) More hardware = a new Korg w/s. The OS is the limitation from what I read.

4) Adding a sound engine. The Kronos might have a hardware limit. See #3.
Personally, I am not into EDM .

5) Not exactly. Thats a simplification. Kronos uses common PC components. Its a specialized Linux device.

This upgrade is free. Free is good. Free is cool. If 3.1 is not so for you, 3.0.4 might be good enough

I do not agree but anyway... how do I downgrade... there are new Karma bugs!!!! Bad testing Korg!

[GregC]

Perhaps it is only me, but I use the Kronos 2 as a workstation, so happy with Karma and sequencer - do not like to use DAW on a PC or Mac.

I am glad there is a new update for the kronos and that lots of bug fixes have been resolved, but I struggle to see what else for me is this delivering.

1)Quick split / layer? That's a bit disappointing. Yes they are easier to create but the Kronos already has the ability to create splits and layers. I do not get it; if you want to make something new why not adding:

- Piano roll
2) More Karma module (I love the montage with 8 independent arps)
- Ability to make your GE via one track in the sequencer and import it (like the Montage does via the simple recorder with os v1.2.4)
3)- A hardware upgrade to get rid of the polyphony problems with combi (there are keyboards out there that have more polyphony under the hood)
- more track in the sequencers (I miss my Roland Fantom G with 128 tracks)
- add mouse support (like the Roland Fantom G)
4) a new synth engine - a bit more modern in sounds and perhaps dedicated to dance / trance / edm

You could go on with lots of other requests, that are not new at all.

1)Also after looking at the User Interface of the new QUick Split / Layer it looks like being done on a cheap...

Do not get me wrong I love that Korg is keeping producing updates but I think they could do a bit more,

5) particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Leone

I think your list is pretty good.

I would like to expand on some of your points.

1) I don't know about ' cheap ' or ' disappointing '. From what I read having splits or layers on the fly is huge for gigging keyboardists. Many other boards have this feature as buttons.

2) I would give up on ' more Karma ' for this Kronos

3) More hardware = a new Korg w/s. The OS is the limitation from what I read.

4) Adding a sound engine. The Kronos might have a hardware limit. See #3.
Personally, I am not into EDM .

5) Not exactly. Thats a simplification. Kronos uses common PC components. Its a specialized Linux device.

This upgrade is free. Free is good. Free is cool. If 3.1 is not so for you, 3.0.4 might be good enough

I do not agree but anyway... how do I downgrade... there are new Karma bugs!!!! Bad testing Korg!

I don't believe you should reverse the upgrade.

Korg is responsive to bugs . Once they replicate the bug , we will see 3.1.1
shortly. I would be patient.

[Leone]

I think your list is pretty good.

I would like to expand on some of your points.

1) I don't know about ' cheap ' or ' disappointing '. From what I read having splits or layers on the fly is huge for gigging keyboardists. Many other boards have this feature as buttons.

2) I would give up on ' more Karma ' for this Kronos

3) More hardware = a new Korg w/s. The OS is the limitation from what I read.

4) Adding a sound engine. The Kronos might have a hardware limit. See #3.
Personally, I am not into EDM .

5) Not exactly. Thats a simplification. Kronos uses common PC components. Its a specialized Linux device.

This upgrade is free. Free is good. Free is cool. If 3.1 is not so for you, 3.0.4 might be good enough

I do not agree but anyway... how do I downgrade... there are new Karma bugs!!!! Bad testing Korg!

I don't believe you should reverse the upgrade.

Korg is responsive to bugs . Once they replicate the bug , we will see 3.1.1
shortly. I would be patient.

Thanks but it depends on what you mean by patient; with the level of bugs in 3.1.0 my patience would be in the region of hours or max a couple of days!

Is it not safe to update 3.1.0 with 3.0.4? What is Korg saying, do you know? Thanks

[Chrutil]

... but I think they could do a bit more, particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Wow, I'm at a loss for words.
That's about as ignorant as for someone who's never played piano saying it's trivial, because all you have to do is to press the right key at the right time.

[Leone]

... but I think they could do a bit more, particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Wow, I'm at a loss for words.
That's about as ignorant as for someone who's never played piano saying it's trivial, because all you have to do is to press the right key at the right time.

This is a direct insult... I would like the moderator to log that Chutil is insulting forum users. Thanks Leone

[aron]

Yeah a bit disappointing that my keyboard which is now over 5 years old is still getting useful updates today.

Me too. I wanted a spreadsheet editor and at the very least a VST plugin architecture. I have do a lot of spreadsheet work and this would really help. VST plugins while they could crash the system are still useful. I wanted to try and run that new gig performer plugin on the Kronos.

I don't understand why they don't have a break timer? Why doesn't anyone design a break timer that will call us when the break is over? Why do we still have to wait on stage while people mill about???

As for the split and layer feature - THANK YOU KORG! Very useful for quick layers and splits.

[Chrutil]

This is a direct insult...

Sorry, I was aiming for something more indirect.
Merry Christmas.

[jimknopf]

This is a direct insult...

Sorry, I was aiming for something more indirect.
Merry Christmas.

LOL
Merry Christmas to you as well - and to all restless souls still training to have a breath and relax.

[SanderXpander]

Take it easy, Leone. You're in a forum of Korg enthusiasts. While we would all enjoy endless upgrades to our Kronos, many of us have been here since the beginning and have seem numerous significant upgrades delivered at absolutely no cost. Aa a result we're often pretty positive towards Korg even if everyone has a personal wishlist.

From what I've seen in the past five years and from what I know of Kronos and Korg, I would say it's unlikely that any of the upgrades on your list will make it to this board. Perhaps to a Kronos successor.

EDIT:
Without much creativity you could easy flip those arguments around on the Fantom-G and the Montage by the way. Why doesn't the Fantom-G support USB midi controllers like Kronos? Why doesn't Montage have Karma on-board like Kronos? You'd probably get similar responses in their respective forums if you did.

[BobTheDog]

... but I think they could do a bit more, particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Wow, I'm at a loss for words.
That's about as ignorant as for someone who's never played piano saying it's trivial, because all you have to do is to press the right key at the right time.

One of my favourites is the 22,000 man years for the code in the space shuttle.

The last major software project I worked on took 14 consecutive years of my life, probably around 200-300 man years in total.

Software, it's just simple.

[GregC]

... but I think they could do a bit more, particulalry as the Kronos is a PC inside so they just have to write new software.

Wow, I'm at a loss for words.
That's about as ignorant as for someone who's never played piano saying it's trivial, because all you have to do is to press the right key at the right time.

One of my favourites is the 22,000 man years for the code in the space shuttle.

The last major software project I worked on took 14 consecutive years of my life, probably around 200-300 man years in total.

Software, it's just simple.

I think some folks don't quite accept there is ' something more to it ' when they don't immediately see it.

Us folks that have worked in software development know that it is a significant cost , a vital skill. Simply, the software OS, etc , sells the commodity hardware.

[Derek Cook]

Agreed. I was project manager for a safety related software project for my company, which took five years and we had a peak of thirty people working on it, if you average that at 20, then that took 100 man man years of software engineers, verification and validation engineering (people who write the code should not be testing it...), and then specialist engineering for safety, security, human factors, reliability, through life support, electro-magnetic compatibility, document authoring, training, etc.

I.e software just doesn't grow on trees and magically appear by osmosis! It takes manpower effort funded from a company's business plan and sales of product. To support a product, you must have revenue for support, and we do not pay a company like Korg support fees, so support must be amortised across the sale of product or upgrades charged for.

So the fact that Korg have released, I think, about five free updates in my two years of Kronos ownership, especially one that essentially turned my Kronos X into a Kronos 2, then that gets my vote in terms of being satisfied with Korg's support.

[chris]

Agreed. I was project manager for a safety related software project for my company, which took five years and we had a peak of thirty people working on it, if you average that at 20, then that took 100 man man years of software engineers, verification and validation engineering (people who write the code should not be testing it...), and then specialist engineering for safety, security, human factors, reliability, through life support, electro-magnetic compatibility, document authoring, training, etc.

I.e software just doesn't grow on trees and magically appear by osmosis! It takes manpower effort funded from a company's business plan and sales of product. To support a product, you must have revenue for support, and we do not pay a company like Korg support fees, so support must be amortised across the sale of product or upgrades charged for.

So the fact that Korg have released, I think, about five free updates in my two years of Kronos ownership, especially one that essentially turned my Kronos X into a Kronos 2, then that gets my vote in terms of being satisfied with Korg's support.

I also agree with you. Also satisfied to have had my Kronos 1 turned into a Kronos 2. Not to omit that besides the quick layer and split function there are also various bug fixes and improvements of some engines.

As being said by Sander, it is impossible that everybody's desires come in new OS upgrades. If you just have a look at the Kronos wishlist thread for upgrades it gives you Leone an idea of the many different requests turning around. Your desires might not be the same as the others'.

So, take it easy as Sander said.