amit wrote:
I assume the same way you assume about the things you trying to address here.
It's not about being defensive here, it just that some people think, feel and speak in a different way than you.
Any and every realtime feature has a cost associated with it. In Performance machines like this these costs can be severe and counter-productive, thus even if possible, many times not feasible. I am not talking about monetary costs here but more of resources cost.
While for you, the polyphony or an extra effect might be of no consequence but for others like me and/or Korg that could have been the priority along with smooth audio at lowest latency possible.
There is a lot that goes behind the scenes, so while to some it may seem otherwise, Korg just might as well be ignoring all this knowing what it's worth.
So, though I too would not mind having a piano roll, I still stand by the decisions behind it's non-inculsion.
As far as workstations go, there could be another million things more, that one could want..
Assume?
No. I addressed specific things that were said. The whole “other people speak different than you” thing is nonsense, as though simply being different is the issue.
The “million things more” that one could want bit, while true, is just a deflection. We’re talking about a modern feature Korg includes in other products that plenty of other people ask about.
mikeyd wrote:Wow look who's getting defensive now. The people that have responded to your posts iceceo have hundreds if not thousands of posts contributing to these forums. You have 17. None of which really points to any significant contribution other than stating what's wrong with this keyboard. Your coming here pointing out the flaws of the KRONOS, correcting other users when they disagree with you with your huge responses, and calling members "corporate shills", is disrespectful and counterproductive.
As people have pointed out, your posts about the "flaws" in the KRONOS have been posted numerous times and the lack of a piano roll has been posted ad nauseam. There literally was a poll just a few weeks ago.
Nobody is getting paid to be here, and nobody is a KORG employee (except for Dan who pops in once in awhile). There have been improvements in KRONOS because of these forums.
You sound unhappy with your decision to own a KRONOS.
Well after being a longtime member of these forums most of us are not. I have learned a ton of things about this keyboard from the members of this forum and am greatful it exists.
Try sharing some of your knowledge about the KRONOS. I'm sure we would all benefit. The people here are talented and knowledgeable with good intentions. Hope you'll take advantage of that.
What exactly do thousands of posts or seventeen posts have to do with the content of the discussion?
As far as “correcting members who disagree with me”, well yes, it’s entirely reasonable to correct inaccurate/incorrect/baseless assumptions and deflections. Note your issue is with me correcting those things and not the actual content of the correction. I’ve consistently discussed the content of what’s being said.
The corporate shill thing was a reference to sidestepping the flaw to redirect toward the strength as though that deals with the flaw. What does it matter if a post is about a flaw or a strength? Is this forum only for the undying worship of zealots, or are differing views actually allowed without a dogpile? If you have a problem with this being yet another piano roll post, take it up with the guy who made this post. I simply replied to the topic, I didn’t create it. If you have a problem with the poll, I certainly didn’t create it.
You cite the fact that there have been improvements made to Kronos because of the forums…. And yet seem bothered by vocal, passionate pleas for another improvement, one that actually won the aforementioned poll by a landslide? Talk about a contradiction.
And I’m far from unhappy with Kronos. In fact, my passionate selling of the strengths of the Kronos has resulted in a friend deciding to purchase one. It might upset you guys to know that I also made sure he understood that Kronos does have certain limitations with the sequencer and makes for a tedious drum sampler.
I did that while putting over the synth engines, quality and scope of preset sounds, which sounds absolutely blow away his Motif and VST’s as well as which sounds are absolutely awful on Kronos, the swift efficiency of the touch screen combined with the tactile hardware controls, the massive wide array of expansion options, the superior FX/mixer routing options, downplaying his fear of the steep learning curve, a simple way of working with Kronos in a DAW, on being able to essentially use the Kronos as an audio recorder and post production station and much more.
I talked him out of buying a Roland FA06- something I derided as a toy compared to the Kronos on this very forum, funny I don’t recall three dismissive responses to that one- and Montage, which I found to be a vastly inferior product soundwise, and getting a Kronos instead. I sold him on the Kronos being an embarrassment of riches.
This post in here about the piano roll was in response to the topic, not something I posted out of the blue.
I also posted about how I’d like to see Kronos develop into a platform, not because I’m dissatisfied with what I have, but because I see the potential to build further on the concept.
