Hi guys,
Maybe this is a well known topic, couldn't find in searches, maybe you can help me.
So, I found this nice bass tone in a Combi. It's only one program, I muted the rest, no effects, no EQ. I loaded it in Sequencer, sounds the same, perfect.
When I went to Programs, it sounds different, more punchy, clearly different.
Went back in Combi and "edit Program", Save it. While in "edit program" it sounded the same as in Combi.
Went in Program again, sounds different.
Is there a trick why that would be?
Something to do with the controllers?
I checked everything that I could see, there is nothing that I can see different.
Please advice,
Marian
Program sound different when loaded in Combi or Sequencer
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marianghioda
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marianghioda
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GregC wrote:that makes sense.
its a factory combi, correct ?
Which one or name ?
The bass program likely has extra FX for the Combi.
Original bass program has some(or less) FX but likely different from the same
bass program use in that Combi.
The Combi is Int C 067 "She walks into..."
I have muted all tracks but track 4
The program is U-C070 Deep Decay Bass
When a program goes to combi timbre or seq. track, it is subject to timbre/track parameters which are separate but in addition to program parameters.
There are different EQ possibilities in tracks/timbres, different zoning and velocity settings, different midi enable or disable, different FX possibilities that can do setups of their own automatically.
IFX are the ones that come to mind when you said there are other active tracks that have been muted. Mute still leaves your polyphony to be wasted, it also leaves the automatic IFX routing in place and that can include the ommission or addition to IFX that were original to the sound in Program mode.
Check what effects are assigned in program mode and then check which IFX the track is routed to, it may be routed to a different effect or the same effect that has been chained to other effects in a group.
Check track parameters also.
Actually, the easiest way is to go to the program itself and then open an initialized combi and do the drop down menu bar ,copy from program.
That way it comes with all IFX, karma and other setting without having to compete with other programs for IFX slots or whatever else.
IFX is tricky in track and timbre. After a certain point, it begins to do it's own sorting and assigning of IFX to tracks. Thats why there is no point having other uneeded programs filling tracks along side the one you want.
If IFX is the sole problem, then the muted tracks could be disconnected from IFX routing all together but you would still have to retrieve the original IFX used in your sound in program mode and you could face polyphony hangups later on. Turning the muted tracks off will solve the potential polyphony hangups.
There are different EQ possibilities in tracks/timbres, different zoning and velocity settings, different midi enable or disable, different FX possibilities that can do setups of their own automatically.
IFX are the ones that come to mind when you said there are other active tracks that have been muted. Mute still leaves your polyphony to be wasted, it also leaves the automatic IFX routing in place and that can include the ommission or addition to IFX that were original to the sound in Program mode.
Check what effects are assigned in program mode and then check which IFX the track is routed to, it may be routed to a different effect or the same effect that has been chained to other effects in a group.
Check track parameters also.
Actually, the easiest way is to go to the program itself and then open an initialized combi and do the drop down menu bar ,copy from program.
That way it comes with all IFX, karma and other setting without having to compete with other programs for IFX slots or whatever else.
IFX is tricky in track and timbre. After a certain point, it begins to do it's own sorting and assigning of IFX to tracks. Thats why there is no point having other uneeded programs filling tracks along side the one you want.
If IFX is the sole problem, then the muted tracks could be disconnected from IFX routing all together but you would still have to retrieve the original IFX used in your sound in program mode and you could face polyphony hangups later on. Turning the muted tracks off will solve the potential polyphony hangups.
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Just want to thank you guys for your help.
As is turned out, it was very simple (isn't everything, if you know it?).
I checked everything in Combi, no FX at all, never considered the FX in Program. That's where the difference was. Once I turned the FX off in Program, everything is identical.
Have good weekend, don't forget Mother's day this weekend!
Marian.
As is turned out, it was very simple (isn't everything, if you know it?).
I checked everything in Combi, no FX at all, never considered the FX in Program. That's where the difference was. Once I turned the FX off in Program, everything is identical.
Have good weekend, don't forget Mother's day this weekend!
Marian.
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Wagnergrad96
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When you select a sound in sequencer mode, the difference you hear is that it is lacking the effects that are part of the sound in program mode.
One way I fix this is to go to the sound in program mode, then look for the effects and save each effects setting so I can use the same effects setting in sequence mode.
One way I fix this is to go to the sound in program mode, then look for the effects and save each effects setting so I can use the same effects setting in sequence mode.