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BR
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Post by BR »

DonM wrote:All the other arrangers, Roland, Yamaha and Ketron, can read anything on the USB stick directly, without jumping through hoops such as setting up a Direct Folder.
Well said.
That would a dream to have the possibility to load your set via a USB flash drive in another Pa4X without carrying your keyboard specially during traveling.
That eliminate to pay extra fees in airport and the risk to damage your keys in airport luggage.
The Direct Folder is not the solution when your set is based mostly on samples.
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I'm not sure about Ketron or Yamaha, but I know that NOTHING needs to be loaded in first on Roland's for you to be able to do everything (other than sample sets on E-A7's, I think).

This is another unnecessary roadblock for Korg users compared to at least SOME other brands. And, AFAIK, Roland don't even use higher speed USB3 sticks, yet can still stream audio (MP3/WAV) directly from the stick as well as load all the data for a songbook entry. If Korg went to a USB3 subsystem, I am sure that even sample loading could be sped up to the point that pretty much everything could be read directly from stick including loading the sampler in the Korg.

USB3 can handle about 640MB/sec, which basically renders everything all but instantaneous, especially by today's Korg standards.

Hardware keyboard manufacturers are getting seriously left in the dust by laptop systems, and in fairness, it is their own fault by not adopting modern data transfer speeds. This has only got to continue a generation or so, and hardware keyboards risk becoming dinosaurs that no-one will buy.

Alternatively, if USB doesn't cut it, affordable SATA SSD's are now the norm, and an external SATA port on a future PA arranger would allow a nice incredibly fast portable SSD to be used instead of a USB3 stick system. Sample streaming would be a practical reality with those kinds of data transfer speeds.
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Post by PersianKORG »

I think this items can help musician:
-Daw Integration Such as Logic ProX,Cubase and ... is important
In addition, USB Streaming (MultiTrack audio Record) over USB Cable Can be more useful
-Record and play .WAV file
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StyleToKbdSet - Sb-Entry linked with Styles

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Selection of SB-Entries linked with Styles automatically NOT should load AUTOMATICALLY KbdSet#1 in case "StyleToKbdSet" indicator is OFF.

In this case it should not load any new KbdSet, because loading and initializIing Realtime-Tracks causes bumpy interruptions in running styles , whereas "StyleToKbdSet" indicator OFF explicit is made NOT letting a style select KbdSets, to get soft transitions with Realtime-tracks in sb-entries linked with running styles (concerns all models of last Pa-series).
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Interesting facts about styles and stylePlayer functions can be found at http: www.elmarherz.de
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Post by pawlikp100 »

When you open search window, make searching and lets say find three entries which suits your query, select one and you should be taken directly to the songbook list in the automatic way and not got stuck in search window.
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Post by Korghelper »

Something that works quite well on Roland’s is the ‘Dynamic Arranger’ feature, which puts style Parts on a velocity offset depending on how hard you are playing. This can have either quite subtle or dramatic effects depending on settings, but is amazingly effective when coupled with sample sets that change as velocities get higher. Think drum kits, guitars, strings, horns etc..

Styles on Korg’s currently only have dynamics by changing Variations, but allowing a velocity offset by tracking player input allows a degree of dynamics even without changing to a different Variation.

I can’t tell you how extraordinary it can be to play in full piano mode and have the rhythm section follow your dynamics! You really need to experience it to understand. Especially with styles that use drum kits with four or more levels of sample switching, guitars that pick or strum harder by using different samples, bass sounds that get more definition as they are played harder, the effect is quite convincing!

Korg saw the benefit of adding Roland’s chord sequencer feature a while back, and many have seen how useful it can be (particularly because Korg added something Roland never got around to, linking chord sequences with Songbook entries)...

Perhaps this is another feature that Korg can rescue from Roland’s neglect (they no longer include it in their current downmarket lineup) and add it to the Korg feature set..?
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Post by Korghelper »

Sorry for double posting, but this IS a different request, albeit linked to a certain degree to the above post...

Roland have a whole keyboard chord tracking mode a bit better than Korg’s Piano mode. Most arrangers with a pianostyle mode only recognize a new chord when you play three or more notes. But Roland add the wrinkle that, with the sustain pedal depressed it then takes five or more notes to change the chord.

This seems like a small thing, but it is quite groundbreaking in practice. As a pianist, I cannot tell you how effective this is. Like the dynamics tracker, it only becomes apparent when you try it. But I have never been able to play so pianistically before, never had to worry so little about what I want to play would upset the chord recognition before... It really is a total game changer.

Such a simple thing, probably pretty easy to add to the OS, and for pianists it is a complete game changer.

And now, to link to the above post about dynamics, the combination of both of these features for the decent pianist truly pushes the arranger into new areas of responsiveness. You can play normal piano and not only does the rhythm section seem to know exactly what changes you want, despite lots of runs and outside playing while the sustain pedal is down, they also know when you dig in or back off and follow your dynamics!

In 30 years of playing arrangers, I have never felt so connected with the backing. Two fairly simple OS additions, that when combined change the entire arranger experience for pianists.

Please, Korg... consider them.
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Software wishlist.

Post by armaan »

Next software wish-list:

1. Midi 2.0 (particularly Midi MPE) - may need to increase the number of oscillators from 24 (this will allow greater flexibility to create instruments using sample modeling concept)
2. Ability to tune pads -- Menu, Pads Switches (add tuning to this page)
3. Increase number of polyphony to 256
4. Option to record and sample in both .WAV format and MP3 (currently reads WAV but saves in MP3
5. Ability to add either inserts or effects to Output 1 and 2
6. Increase the number of Insert to 16
7. Multi-track audio recording - at least three tracks
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Post by Rebwar »

Ability to add mp3 as an intro, and play mp3 files simultaneously with style play.. :wink:
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Post by Korghelper »

I might add, allow the Hammond sim to be routed to a direct out...

Then we can add a Ventilator or other hardware or software Leslie sim and kiss the abysmal internal Leslie goodbye!
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OS wishlist

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1.Microphone balance control for monitor/headphones so that the microphone level can be set to heard louder (than the music) in monitor/headphones than in Main mix. This control would not impact the mic + music to main outputs (L&R) only to the headphones or output 1 (if this would be a dedicated monitor output).
2.Quantize strength option to humanize quantization.
3.Ability to cue style in setlist even when an mp3 is playing.
4.Enabling jukebox & play all setting for player 2 as well.
5.Implementation of vocal recording into styles for ask/answer types of singing.
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Re: OS wishlist

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contabaiswa wrote:1.Microphone balance control for monitor/headphones so that the microphone level can be set to heard louder (than the music) in monitor/headphones than in Main mix. This control would not impact the mic + music to main outputs (L&R) only to the headphones or output 1 (if this would be a dedicated monitor output). [/b]
Be really nice if this could be used to bump up the Keyboard Parts as well. I can't tell you how many home demos I've listened to ruined by the played parts swamping out the backing! We all want to hear ourselves really well, but that isn't how they should be mixed. Takes real skill and patience to learn to play 'within' a mix, not 'on top' of it! Separate headphone outs with the balance skewed towards the player would help no end!
contabaiswa wrote:2.Quantize strength option to humanize quantization.
Yes, yes, yes! Who hard quantizes anything other than EDM? :twisted: A 'window' of no quantization is also nice, to leave stuff alone that is 'close enough' and only go after stuff outside that window. Most DAW's have all this.
contabaiswa wrote:5.Implementation of vocal recording into styles for ask/answer types of singing.
Can't you use the sampler for this? Route to multipads to play... How did you envision this working?
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DAW integration

Post by superchunk »

Can we PLEASE have any form of DAW integration that isn't purely MIDI based so we can create styles/sounds with ease? Maybe some sort of bridging vst??
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Post by korgpask »

Copying does not work correctly. NOTY only.
Voice, Effect, Insert FX, Equal. volume ... NO !!!

Everything MUST be set manually on the new track !!!!
Very difficult - demanding - a lot of time - great attention for correct setup - very bad work. !!!!

I need to copy and paste QUICK RECORD MIDI from style track (eg Track 14) into track 2 when recording.
I need to transfer the complete ALL track data.
Menu Mixer Tuning: (copy data)
1. EQ GAIN data
2. FX SEND data
3. INSERT FX data (very important for proper sound !!!!)
4. VOLUME - PAN data
5. Voice data (voice number)

1: track 14

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track 2 cop info:

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2. FX send track 14:
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info copy track 2:
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3. Insert FX: track 14:
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info copy track 2:
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4. VOLUME - PAN data track 14:
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5. VOICE number:
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I think it's pretty explained!
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Post by Korghelper »

I think that part of the copy issue is stuff that uses sysex. The sysex ID for the Style Part isn't the same for the Song Part (or Keyboard Part). Same with insert architecture. Style Parts, Keyboard Parts and Song Parts may be addressing different Insert FX and EQ (with different addresses).

So a 'simple' copy/paste isn't quite as simple as it seems..! It may be beyond the Korg's capabilities to automatically translate these things, and Korg may have opted for where you have to do it by hand which though tedious, may end up being more accurate.

There's definitely a case to be made for massively increasing the insert effects (a midline Yamaha SX900 has 8 freely assignable insert FX) which would definitely make copying style Parts or Keyboard Parts into identically sounding sequencer tracks a lot easier. Mind you, I have no direct knowledge whether this actually does make the SX900 style->sequencer recorder work better than Korg's..!
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