Thanks all for the interesting responses.
Drum track for me in the Kronos is still a grey area, I haven't really had any use for it in the past.
When you sample you're own drum sound, do you insert them in an audio track manually in the sequencer? Is it a combination of midi track 10 with various drum wav insert in audio track? Just guessing here.
Does anyone one has a great tutorial for a typical workflow for drums on the Kronos? That would make an interesting subject.
Cheers!
Den
Do I need a drum machine?
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Hi Den,
You'd really use the audio tracks in the sequencer for inserting longer pieces of audio - maybe some vocals or guitar that you have decided to add to the track, for example. You can either record them straight in, or add them as wav files that you had recorded earlier, away from the Kronos.
The drum sounds I was talking about are simply single hits, which you would load into the sample memory (take a tour around the sampling pages on the Kronos, and it will start to make sense), either from a stick or from your drive on the Kronos. I copy the wavs to my hard drive, and then transfer them over.
Once the sounds are in your sample memory, you create a multisample and then start mapping the samples across the keyboard. I do them randomly - any 61 drum sounds that I like, in no particular order across the keys. Once that's done, you convert the multisample into a program and it becomes like any other drum program on the Kronos. You have access to all the usual editing and FX parameters that you would get for every program.
It is a repetitive thing to do, mapping each sample, but it can be done quickly and you only have to do it once - once they're in, they're in. So fire up the kettle, and settle into it. Remember to back up your work, and to add the saved sample sets to your auto-load (see the Global pages for that function, which determines what is loaded automatically every time you fire up the Kronos).
There are royalty-free or cheaply available sample sets for pretty much every drum machine ever made, plus live acoustic kits and more esoteric percussion, widely available online. There are also many high-spec, very detailed sample sets available at a higher price from specialist sample retailers. Your choice.
As for tutorials, I recommend searching out some of the many sampling tutorials on youtube. The system is simple, once you run through it a couple of times.
You'd really use the audio tracks in the sequencer for inserting longer pieces of audio - maybe some vocals or guitar that you have decided to add to the track, for example. You can either record them straight in, or add them as wav files that you had recorded earlier, away from the Kronos.
The drum sounds I was talking about are simply single hits, which you would load into the sample memory (take a tour around the sampling pages on the Kronos, and it will start to make sense), either from a stick or from your drive on the Kronos. I copy the wavs to my hard drive, and then transfer them over.
Once the sounds are in your sample memory, you create a multisample and then start mapping the samples across the keyboard. I do them randomly - any 61 drum sounds that I like, in no particular order across the keys. Once that's done, you convert the multisample into a program and it becomes like any other drum program on the Kronos. You have access to all the usual editing and FX parameters that you would get for every program.
It is a repetitive thing to do, mapping each sample, but it can be done quickly and you only have to do it once - once they're in, they're in. So fire up the kettle, and settle into it. Remember to back up your work, and to add the saved sample sets to your auto-load (see the Global pages for that function, which determines what is loaded automatically every time you fire up the Kronos).
There are royalty-free or cheaply available sample sets for pretty much every drum machine ever made, plus live acoustic kits and more esoteric percussion, widely available online. There are also many high-spec, very detailed sample sets available at a higher price from specialist sample retailers. Your choice.
As for tutorials, I recommend searching out some of the many sampling tutorials on youtube. The system is simple, once you run through it a couple of times.
Sampling is right, but after getting your individual samples into Kronos,
you want to go to Global mode, enter the “Drum Kit” page there and then use the “Sample setup” tab to make your drum kit multisample.
You can make the samples in Sampling page of any mode and store them to user sample from there. Then go to global mode for drum kit making.
For a Kronos drum kit, it is best to go to Global mode and enter Drum Kit page. See page 797 of Parameter guide.
The difference in setting up drum kit in global mode versus setting up drum sample multisample as a regular program is significant.
First, i think global drum kit setup, makes the drum kit available in drum track page as a drum kit selection. Drum track allows you to scroll through different drum kits without scrolling through regular programs mixed into the program banks.
Also the Global drum kit sample setup, allows setting of dynamics/parameters of each drum sample put to the kit.
Each note gets its own volume setting, velocity layer setting, EQ, attack + decay, tune, transpose, drive, boost, filter res and cutoff, and voice mixer setup.
So you get all the benefits of HD-1 sample based program, but then the Global drum kit page goes much further with individual note/key settings per each drum kit voice/instrument.
Global drum kit page is the way to go for making a drum kit on Kronos.
And that drum kit will still be available to use in a Program and any of the modes that programs apply.
you want to go to Global mode, enter the “Drum Kit” page there and then use the “Sample setup” tab to make your drum kit multisample.
You can make the samples in Sampling page of any mode and store them to user sample from there. Then go to global mode for drum kit making.
For a Kronos drum kit, it is best to go to Global mode and enter Drum Kit page. See page 797 of Parameter guide.
The difference in setting up drum kit in global mode versus setting up drum sample multisample as a regular program is significant.
First, i think global drum kit setup, makes the drum kit available in drum track page as a drum kit selection. Drum track allows you to scroll through different drum kits without scrolling through regular programs mixed into the program banks.
Also the Global drum kit sample setup, allows setting of dynamics/parameters of each drum sample put to the kit.
Each note gets its own volume setting, velocity layer setting, EQ, attack + decay, tune, transpose, drive, boost, filter res and cutoff, and voice mixer setup.
So you get all the benefits of HD-1 sample based program, but then the Global drum kit page goes much further with individual note/key settings per each drum kit voice/instrument.
Global drum kit page is the way to go for making a drum kit on Kronos.
And that drum kit will still be available to use in a Program and any of the modes that programs apply.
Hi 19naia,
That's really useful to me - thank you. I didn't know about the Drum Kit page in Global Mode.
I don't use the Drum Track function anyway, so that isn't important to me. But the other parameters that you could change for each note would certainly interest me.
Having said that, I can still mange velocity at program level doing it my way, and alter the pitch, EQ and other stuff as MIDI and EXCL events in Sequence mode as I am progressing with each song.
Thanks again for the info.
That's really useful to me - thank you. I didn't know about the Drum Kit page in Global Mode.
I don't use the Drum Track function anyway, so that isn't important to me. But the other parameters that you could change for each note would certainly interest me.
Having said that, I can still mange velocity at program level doing it my way, and alter the pitch, EQ and other stuff as MIDI and EXCL events in Sequence mode as I am progressing with each song.
Thanks again for the info.
So, out of curiosity, what sort of process did you use to create those drum tracks? Are they factory rhythm patterns, something from karma, something you created yourself, or something else I'm not thinking of?GregC wrote:with my Nowhere Going Fast I think the Kronos drums are convincing - they don't have that obvious electronic drum vibe
https://soundcloud.com/user-898236994/n ... going-fast
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I agree on the Superior drummer part. We could propably discuss to the end of the world what is best, but Superior drummer 3 is full on par with BFD. Amazing quality of the sounds. Not sure if Toontracks is still developing on EZ Drummer but its compatible with the older ver 2. of superior Drummer and there is a lot of expansion packs for both EZ and Superior Drummer 2. But there is quite a nice stepup in quality to ver. 3. Most ver 3. Sounds is also sampled with surround effects afaik.
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SD3 and BFD3, both products are excellent !Xenophile wrote:I don't have experience with BFD, but I can say that Superior Drummer is very, very nice. It's little brother EZDrummer is nice if you're on a budget or if you like to use canned midi grooves.Poseidon wrote:You should try virtual drums BFD3, the best acoustic drum kit you can imagine.
And at the same time a tough decision to choose between two alternatives.
Personally, I prefer BFD3. I find BFD kits less processed, great 3rd party kits, fits my workflow, and I would say BFD3 works better in Logic Pro X (macOS) than SD3.