In previous posts I mentioned how I can't load everything on the instrument that (I think) I'd like to have available. Is it feasible to load one set of programs on the instrument using a 3rd party library, transfer it to the editor and save it as a "master setting", then load a different set of programs on the instrument and do the same thing to crate a second master setting?
By doing this, I am wondering if I can manage multiple libraries by storing a particular grouping with the editor and sending it to the instrument. Then in another instance, I'd send a different set of programs to the instrument. Does this work? Are there pitfalls in doing this?
Using Kronos Editor for Library Management
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Using Kronos Editor for Library Management
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Hi there,
The Kronos Editor is good to manage programs and combis. Other freeware to accomplish this are PCG Tools and tidy Kronos.
Furthermore, the Kronos Editor is more complete in that it also offers you to modify programs in real time (be it envelope settings or any other program parameter) and hear the changes you do even if you're not exactly in front of the Kronos.
So in short, those three freeware can accomplish what you want. You can create as many PCG (which BTW means Programs/Combis/Global) files as you want and store them on your Kronos SSD. Each of these PCG files will point or refer to particular settings of programs and combis you want on your unit. For example, you could have one PCG for the factory Korg stuff, another PCG specialized in rock and pop sounds, another PCG for orchestral stuff, etc. The advantage of loading different PCGs on your Kronos is that it's very quick.
The Kronos Editor is good to manage programs and combis. Other freeware to accomplish this are PCG Tools and tidy Kronos.
Furthermore, the Kronos Editor is more complete in that it also offers you to modify programs in real time (be it envelope settings or any other program parameter) and hear the changes you do even if you're not exactly in front of the Kronos.
So in short, those three freeware can accomplish what you want. You can create as many PCG (which BTW means Programs/Combis/Global) files as you want and store them on your Kronos SSD. Each of these PCG files will point or refer to particular settings of programs and combis you want on your unit. For example, you could have one PCG for the factory Korg stuff, another PCG specialized in rock and pop sounds, another PCG for orchestral stuff, etc. The advantage of loading different PCGs on your Kronos is that it's very quick.
Great advice from KK. I have had time to delve into the Kronos Editor and sort out a mess of programs, combi's etc. Not quite done yet but it's already much better than it was. The editor was very helpful. However, I have not found how to keep it synchronized both ways. Works sometimes but not always. I just initiate a send/receive manually and it works. Probably just something I'm doing wrong. That said, it's still a powerful tool.
And KK, I never thought about using the editor to load a whole different set of PCG's. Provides at least a partial solution to the limited number of program banks. Thanks.
Ron
And KK, I never thought about using the editor to load a whole different set of PCG's. Provides at least a partial solution to the limited number of program banks. Thanks.
Ron
Pa5X, Pa4X, KronosX, BIAB, Cakewalk
Hi Ron,Ron wrote:And KK, I never thought about using the editor to load a whole different set of PCG's.
To manage multiple PCGs, use PCG Tools. The Korg Editor deals with only one PCG at a time, but can do so many other things as well. Each freeware has its strengths. I also often use Tidy Kronos and also Chrutil's great AL-1/Polysix Editor.
KK - Thinking about this some more...If I have an entire image of the Kronos on the editor, I believe I can save it (on the editor) and the load it back to the editor at a later date and "send to Kronos" This image could be an deifferent set of programs, combi's, songs, etc. than say my current Kronos load. Wouldn't this be what you were describing (except samples of course)?
Pa5X, Pa4X, KronosX, BIAB, Cakewalk
KK - Let's try this again. Post was incomplete. I am thinking that I can save an alternate Kronos load - programs, combis set lists, etc. on my PC from the editor. Then I could load the save file back to the editor at a later date and "send to Kronos" Need to deal with the samples of course but I think this is what you were suggesting? Ron
Pa5X, Pa4X, KronosX, BIAB, Cakewalk
Hi Ron,
Yes absolutely, you can save an entirely different image of your Kronos with the editor on your computer, then send it to your Kronos later, in tiny parts or in its entirety, as you wish. If you previously saved an image with the editor, you don't even need to connect the Kronos to your computer to manage for example the order of programs or combis in that image.
Now very quickly a few things about the other freeware, Chrutil's editor is closer to the Kronos Editor, but gives you control on ALL the knobs and switches for any program which uses AL-1 or Polysix engines. With PCG Tools, you can amongst other things open multiple PCG files and copy/paste between them. Tidy Kronos also offers unique features, like seeing right away for each program in which combis it is used, its related drumkit, drum pattern, wavesequences, etc.
Yes absolutely, you can save an entirely different image of your Kronos with the editor on your computer, then send it to your Kronos later, in tiny parts or in its entirety, as you wish. If you previously saved an image with the editor, you don't even need to connect the Kronos to your computer to manage for example the order of programs or combis in that image.
Now very quickly a few things about the other freeware, Chrutil's editor is closer to the Kronos Editor, but gives you control on ALL the knobs and switches for any program which uses AL-1 or Polysix engines. With PCG Tools, you can amongst other things open multiple PCG files and copy/paste between them. Tidy Kronos also offers unique features, like seeing right away for each program in which combis it is used, its related drumkit, drum pattern, wavesequences, etc.
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Good suggestions, KK. Interesting how each editor or librarian software has features and strengths that are unique. I have not tried Tidy Kronos, so thanks for suggesting that. From what I can see, it may be the only freeware that maintains all parent/child references between programs, combis, drum kits, set list slots, wave sequences and songs. Nice.
PCGTools is so handy to use, though maintains program references in combis only.
I'm not sure if Kronos Editor maintains any at all, does it? It is why I purchased MidiQuest Pro. -which has advanced features, one of which you can even view multisamples referenced by programs. This is helpful if you want to know which ones can be removed from RAM. Although it is good as a librarian, I don't use it for editing, and instead prefer the Kronos screen. However, I agree Chrutil's AL1/PolySix Editor is great.
PCGTools is so handy to use, though maintains program references in combis only.
I'm not sure if Kronos Editor maintains any at all, does it? It is why I purchased MidiQuest Pro. -which has advanced features, one of which you can even view multisamples referenced by programs. This is helpful if you want to know which ones can be removed from RAM. Although it is good as a librarian, I don't use it for editing, and instead prefer the Kronos screen. However, I agree Chrutil's AL1/PolySix Editor is great.
Hi Sweat,
Indeed Tidy Kronos main advantages are that you can see everything linked to any program, including as you mention the referenced samples, even though they are listed in a special format (that's easy to figure out after a while).
Also, I agree that depending what you do in PCG Tools you can lose certain links and references. About a year ago I wanted to completely rebuild my "main" PCG, placing all similar instruments one after the other instead of for example grand pianos in three different banks like in the factory PCG, etc.
I discovered that despite certain limitations, for what I wanted to do the Korg Editor also offered advantages that others don't have, like seeing the used combis when you hover the program names, keeping all references intact with cut/copy/paste (though one program at a time), etc. And using Tidy Kronos before and after the whole process, I could make sure all references in the new PCG were intact at the end. It takes a while to do all that but it is worth the effort. Those freeware can be of great help.
Too bad Midi Quest Pro is not standalone and only as a plugin.
Indeed Tidy Kronos main advantages are that you can see everything linked to any program, including as you mention the referenced samples, even though they are listed in a special format (that's easy to figure out after a while).
Also, I agree that depending what you do in PCG Tools you can lose certain links and references. About a year ago I wanted to completely rebuild my "main" PCG, placing all similar instruments one after the other instead of for example grand pianos in three different banks like in the factory PCG, etc.
I discovered that despite certain limitations, for what I wanted to do the Korg Editor also offered advantages that others don't have, like seeing the used combis when you hover the program names, keeping all references intact with cut/copy/paste (though one program at a time), etc. And using Tidy Kronos before and after the whole process, I could make sure all references in the new PCG were intact at the end. It takes a while to do all that but it is worth the effort. Those freeware can be of great help.
Too bad Midi Quest Pro is not standalone and only as a plugin.
It's also worth mentioning that you can set up several PCGs without hooking up to external software.
I update and change my PCG every few months, each time I start work on a new set of songs. I just load in new programs and samples, overwriting the ones I know I won't need and saving the updated PCG. Obviously, I will have backed up the previous PCG. Over time, my current PCG has gradually changed beyond recognition.
I probably have 20 or more different PCGs on the Kronos, each with different sample sets, and change the auto-load settings as I move from one to another.
I update and change my PCG every few months, each time I start work on a new set of songs. I just load in new programs and samples, overwriting the ones I know I won't need and saving the updated PCG. Obviously, I will have backed up the previous PCG. Over time, my current PCG has gradually changed beyond recognition.
I probably have 20 or more different PCGs on the Kronos, each with different sample sets, and change the auto-load settings as I move from one to another.
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Yes! This is how it should be done, taking advantage of the Kronos architecture to greatest extent. Which software do you use?pete.m wrote:It's also worth mentioning that you can set up several PCGs without hooking up to external software.
I update and change my PCG every few months, each time I start work on a new set of songs. I just load in new programs and samples, overwriting the ones I know I won't need and saving the updated PCG. Obviously, I will have backed up the previous PCG. Over time, my current PCG has gradually changed beyond recognition.
I probably have 20 or more different PCGs on the Kronos, each with different sample sets, and change the auto-load settings as I move from one to another.
HiRon wrote:KK - Thinking about this some more...If I have an entire image of the Kronos on the editor, I believe I can save it (on the editor) and the load it back to the editor at a later date and "send to Kronos" This image could be an deifferent set of programs, combi's, songs, etc. than say my current Kronos load. Wouldn't this be what you were describing (except samples of course)?
This works indeed !
I have several saved images of my Kronos with different sounds loaded
( eg, IrihActsounds, SoP sounds, QuiRob sounds )
Load witch mood you’re on and go!
Ben