Still got the blues - Pa4x guitar -

Bescki · Post by **Bescki** » Sun May 17, 2020 12:03 am

I play keyboard from 1995 and I havnt any video on youtube

I started to put videos on youtube...

Please subscribe or comment or like if you like this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CB6XJ8 ... e=youtu.be

thanks
Besim Mydyti

Post by **karmathanever** » Sun May 17, 2020 1:05 am

Incredible - beautifully played - sounds fantastic.

Pete

Bescki · Post by **Bescki** » Sun May 17, 2020 5:45 am

karmathanever wrote:Incredible - beautifully played - sounds fantastic.

Pete

Thank you Pete

rockola · Post by **rockola** » Sun May 17, 2020 11:19 am

Magnificent ! Sheer Brilliance !

Don Watson

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Sun May 17, 2020 4:42 pm

Gary Moore would love it, and I do too!

patpsc · Post by **patpsc** » Sat May 30, 2020 2:41 pm

Lead guitar sound is so beautiful and realistic. Did you use user guitar sample or it's the factory sample?

Bescki · Post by **Bescki** » Sat May 30, 2020 4:41 pm

patpsc wrote:Lead guitar sound is so beautiful and realistic. Did you use user guitar sample or it's the factory sample?

After I recorded video I realized that I played very bad

anyway, guitar I used are Crunch Gtr DNC
fx1 stereo BPM delay
fx2 AMP: OD/HG Amp Sim

steve350 · Post by **steve350** » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:40 pm

I don't know what you guys are hearing, "Realistic" are you kidding me. I think the player is just great but you really think that sounds like a guitar, please.
Besim, no knock on you, great job.

Musicwithharry · Post by **Musicwithharry** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:18 pm

steve350 wrote:I don't know what you guys are hearing, "Realistic" are you kidding me. I think the player is just great but you really think that sounds like a guitar, please.
Besim, no knock on you, great job.

Well, your comment, while a bit true, is also a bit harsh.

The problem is that there are so many articulations to consider when playing a keyboard guitar sound, it is hard to get them all like a physical guitar player would do live. The Korg products, especially the PA series with the DNC controls, can get pretty close.

The other part of it all is the processing. Making sure that the elements are in place for a 'true' guitar sound is just as important as playing the sound itself (with all of the articulation).

In my experience with keyboard guitar, the sounds can be pretty thin because the effects block is not set up correctly. Running a Tube Preamp model, distortion (if needed for the song) and a good Reverb/Delay/Chorus bank is very important. Even then, 'real' guitar players can hear the difference, no matter how close one can come.

If we add to all of that the STYLE the player is going for, it adds even more to the equation

For classical guitar stuff, it can be very difficult to make it sound just right. For blues, it can be very tough too. It seems like heavily processed rock stuff can get a bit closer, due to all the effects involved to get a lead sound from Satriani, Via, Schon, Petrucci, etc...

Here is my version of Amazing Grace, done on the PA700 with only the classical guitar (with DNC) played live. There is a slight string pad sitting behind it. This comes fairly close. It does sound a bit thin, but the Reverb helps is adding some depth to the overall sound. With that said, it still sounds like a guitar sound played on a keyboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCP41ujZiIU

Here is something that is more processed, and because of all of the processing, it actually comes a bit closer. I did this on my Korg M50 with no DNC controls (it does not have the DNC stuff that the newer models have). There are many elements in this song where it sounds like a real guitar, but you can hear in the vibrato where I actually did not do any where I should have...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf8YF4YxX7o

Here is another one where I am using the Korg PA700 for the guitar lead. I made a custom lead guitar patch. With the DNC controls, it easily sounds more real than the one done on the M50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOmde1_fpDc

Just some food for thought. Technology has come a LONG way since the early days. I remember doing songs back in the day with older Korg/Roland synths, trying to emulate guitar. It is MUCH different now

Grace,
Harry

Korghelper · Post by **Korghelper** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:03 pm

Very well done!

And it beautifully illustrates how basically you cannot play a realistic lead guitar without using either an SMF (which I think this might be) or the Chord Sequencer or an MP3. LH bends and modulation are pretty much constant, there's absolutely no time to play the chords and still get the bends in when they are needed and appropriate.

One trick that I am not sure the OP is using is an expression pedal to modulate volume AND tone a bit. That's part of what makes distorted guitar sound the way it does. The nature of overdrive makes the overall output volume pretty constant (which it needs to be) but the input to the overdrive can still vary quite a bit, which changes the tone and breakup of the sound, especially when playing more than one note.

To best get this, it's important to gain stage the sound BEFORE the overdrive insert, so that backing off can clean up the sound to the right degree. Plus it helps to have something in the patch respong to expression about the tone to... boost a frequency, or roll off some harmonics, whatever. That's part of the magic of real guitar... Pick angle, where on the string you pick, where you set the tone controls and volume knob, all of these make a radical difference to how the overdrive responds, and widens the color palette.

But yes, there's really only so far you can go without MPE to get an authentic guitar sound. Tuning and intonation is the last detail, and that takes more modern controllers and programming.

We all know Marco Parisi from his amazing PA3X demos. Take a look at some of his amazing Roli Seabord/Laptop VSTi guitar playing to see how even a hand on the joystick isn't quite enough to accurately simulate real guitar. Independent bend and modulation for each note is much closer to what actually happens on a real guitar. This is the promise of MPE and it can't arrive soon enough for me on arrangers!

This one is well worth watching to the end... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fQbtp2BgY4