Pa4X - PA1000 comparison?

[Dmkeys]

I'm considering switching over to a PA1000 from the PA4X. Does anyone here know where I could find a direct comparison between the two boards, to identify exactly what I'd be giving up?

Thanks much!

[Vangelismusic]

I'm considering switching over to a PA1000 from the PA4X. Does anyone here know where I could find a direct comparison between the two boards, to identify exactly what I'd be giving up?

Thanks much!

Although I have both, the only reason I would buy a KORG PA1000 is the weight, same engine just less memory and not made as quality as the 4X

[Biggles]

The 4X is worth it just for the sliders alone, never mind the increased internal memory, the better Patches and Styles.

For me the main reasons for buying a 4X would be 76 keys and a keybed that imo feels better than what is fitted to a 1000

61 keys is barely enough when you start to assign what is basically more than one split.

[Dmkeys]

[quote="Vangelismusic"][quote=Although I have both, the only reason I would buy a KORG PA1000 is the weight, same engine just less memory and not made as quality as the 4X[/quote]

That's exactly why I'm considering it. I have the 76 key and in a flight case it's quite heavy. I love the action, though.

What are the sound differences? lower quality converters? Different internal samples?

[Vangelismusic]

That's exactly why I'm considering it. I have the 76 key and in a flight case it's quite heavy. I love the action, though.

What are the sound differences? lower quality converters? Different internal samples?

I practically had every synth and arranger out there and in my opinion the BEST keyboard action was the Ensoniq VFX, too bad they had to go out of business.
I also like the PA1000 action because I am not a piano player and more deriving from organs.

[Korghelper]

I keep being surprised that organ players think a 61 is sufficient. After all, the B3 has two 61's (so a 122!,) and even a twin 49 note home organ is 98 notes..!

For me, it's 76 or nothing. I'd rather have a bad action 76 than a great action 61. Come to think of it, my Ensoniq SQ2 back in the day was pretty bad! For me, the greatest 76 ever made (the action, that is) was the G70. That was like butter - full size blacks, but slightly rounded whites (for easy organ smears without a waterfall action). Not piano weight, but not lightweight synth either. Heavy, but worth it!

[B.Safe]

As an organ player, I could never consider that a 76-note keyboard could replace a double 61-note one.
In my experience, the best replacement for a multiple 61-note keyboard is the combination of a 61-note single keyboard and a well-configured FCB1010.

[Dmkeys]

This is a great tangent! Personally, my favorite action (weighted) is the Yamaha CP-88, but for weight reasons, I bought the CP-73 instead. The action on that is not graded like the 88, but is still the best weighted action of any keyboard I've owned. For orgna/synth action, my favorite was the Kurzweil PC376, but I sold it because it was heavy and had reliability issues in venues with less than ideal state-of-the art power sources. So, an older church/synagogue gig meant the keyboard might power-cycle with slight fluctuations in power. The PA4X 76 action is quite nice too.

But back to my topic, please?

[JerCaz]

As an organ player, I could never consider that a 76-note keyboard could replace a double 61-note one.
In my experience, the best replacement for a multiple 61-note keyboard is the combination of a 61-note single keyboard and a well-configured FCB1010.

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I'm agree with you

[Keymn]

Weight was my choice for pa1000. I use it primarily as a backup for my accordion. Notice Pa4x has 13 banks verses 12 banks...so if you are a style saver, 4x has more room...with Korg PaManager you can easily setup your own sets easily, whether a Pa4x or pa1000. Think the sound engines are same? Btw like the pa1000 built in speakers!

[Bill1983]

As an organ player, I could never consider that a 76-note keyboard could replace a double 61-note one.
In my experience, the best replacement for a multiple 61-note keyboard is the combination of a 61-note single keyboard and a well-configured FCB1010.

I opted for a StudioLogic MP-117 being an organist since 1969. It's been great as it's a true pedal board with plenty of midi capability.

[Keymn]

To me it is about styles on an arranger. With better training on creating styles out of midi loops, midi song files, etc. you can create something spectacular. It would not matter what model you have,

[B.Safe]

...I opted for a StudioLogic MP-117 being an organist since 1969. It's been great as it's a true pedal board with plenty of midi capability.

I agree, if you want a pedalboard with notes, this is the way to go.
But here, I was simply answering the question of replacing 2 61-notes keyboards with a 73-note keyboard.
When I use an arranger, I don't need a pedalboard with notes because the arranger is in charge of the bass line most of the time.
Anyway it's always a trade-off.

[Korghelper]

As an organ player, I could never consider that a 76-note keyboard could replace a double 61-note one.
In my experience, the best replacement for a multiple 61-note keyboard is the combination of a 61-note single keyboard and a well-configured FCB1010.

But as a multi keyboard player, if you learned on organ AND piano (and Rhodes, and synths, etc.!) and only wanted the hassle of a single keyboard setup, I doubt a 61 would ever do. And an 88 would be hard to transport, and the extremes would seldom get played enough to warrant the size.

For me, 76 has always been the single keyboard rig optimum, big enough for most piano parts, small enough to easily transport, just big enough for a restricted but usable double manual range for organ parts. And with some kind of multi function MIDI footpedal, even easier to pull off straight organ parts!

But there are times I wish I could go back to a nice B3 layout (without the weight!). It's a shame the Hammond SKX or really any of the modern dual manual Hammond clones don't really excel at being a master MIDI controller...