Hi, I have combis that I add to slots in a Set List. I use program change settings in parts of the combi so the Integra 7 switch to correct Studio Set when I select a certain combi.
This work just fine when I'm in combi mode, switching between different combis the Integra 7 responds to program change and switch to the desired Studio set that I have mapped to within the combi.
But! when I add these combis to a set list in the Kronos the program change settings that I've done in the combi does no longer work. Instead the Integra changes to Studio Set numbers that correspond to the Kronos Set List slot number instead of the MSB and program number that I've set in the combi that is put into the Set list slot.
What am I doing wrong here? I want the program change to work according to the settings in the combi, not according to the Set List slot number that I choose. Is there program change settings that you can do in the Set List slots them self also?
Program Change help!
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Program Change help!
Yamaha S90ES, Kronos 2 61, Roland D50, Roland Integra 7, Roland D-05
Thank's, that would be great.brianv4 wrote:I don't know if there's any similarity, but I posted a thread regarding sending program changes in Setlist from an iPad. Seems there's def something wonky with PC messages and Setlist. I haven't gotten any responses yet. If I get any info that might be helpful I'll gladly pass it on to you.
In my case, If combi PC messages does not work in Set List mode it's a complete show stopper for using the Set List mode. If there is no solution for this it's a huge disappointment.
Yamaha S90ES, Kronos 2 61, Roland D50, Roland Integra 7, Roland D-05
I solved the problem!
Apparently in Set List Mode, the Kronos always sends out PC messages corresponding to the Set List Slot numbers, if PC messages are enabled in Global settings of course. So to supress this behaviour and instead always let the PC message settings you have done in the combis be in control you need to do this:
In my case I have a Kronos as controller where I want to send PC messages to a Roland Integra 7 and a Roland D05 at the same time from a combi added to a Set List slot.
1. PC messages need to be enabled in Kronos Global mode
2. I've set the Kronos Global Midi channel to 16.
3. In the Integra, I set the "Global" Receive channel to 14.
4. In the D05 I set the Basic Receive channel to 15.
5. In the Kronos Combi, I use EXT2 on the parts and set the MSB/LSB/Program numbers that I want depending on which Studio Sets and Patches should play on the Integra and D05.
6. I add the Combi to a Set List slot on the Kronos and Voila, the PC messages that are sent is those set in the Combi, not the slot number in the Set List.
So my conclusion is that you need to set the global receive channels of the devices you want to control from the Kronos to a different channel than the Kronos Global Midi channel. This since the Kronos apparently always sends out slot number PC messages in Set List mode thru the Global Midi channel. But if you set your other devices not to listen to the Kronos Global Midi Channel it will go for the settings in the combis instead.
Apparently in Set List Mode, the Kronos always sends out PC messages corresponding to the Set List Slot numbers, if PC messages are enabled in Global settings of course. So to supress this behaviour and instead always let the PC message settings you have done in the combis be in control you need to do this:
In my case I have a Kronos as controller where I want to send PC messages to a Roland Integra 7 and a Roland D05 at the same time from a combi added to a Set List slot.
1. PC messages need to be enabled in Kronos Global mode
2. I've set the Kronos Global Midi channel to 16.
3. In the Integra, I set the "Global" Receive channel to 14.
4. In the D05 I set the Basic Receive channel to 15.
5. In the Kronos Combi, I use EXT2 on the parts and set the MSB/LSB/Program numbers that I want depending on which Studio Sets and Patches should play on the Integra and D05.
6. I add the Combi to a Set List slot on the Kronos and Voila, the PC messages that are sent is those set in the Combi, not the slot number in the Set List.
So my conclusion is that you need to set the global receive channels of the devices you want to control from the Kronos to a different channel than the Kronos Global Midi channel. This since the Kronos apparently always sends out slot number PC messages in Set List mode thru the Global Midi channel. But if you set your other devices not to listen to the Kronos Global Midi Channel it will go for the settings in the combis instead.
Yamaha S90ES, Kronos 2 61, Roland D50, Roland Integra 7, Roland D-05
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KingKronos
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Nice job on finding the solution so quickly. Looks like you've found the manual or the HELP button handy.
Korg and Integra follow MIDI rules pretty well. The key is to be mindful of your global channel, or what the Integra calls the control channel. It's pretty much the same logic you would use when connecting most other devices.
Korg and Integra follow MIDI rules pretty well. The key is to be mindful of your global channel, or what the Integra calls the control channel. It's pretty much the same logic you would use when connecting most other devices.
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Hopefully V-man's post will help you. In global mode, if you enable program change, then the Kronos should respond to MIDI from the ipad as long as the PC is sent on the right channel.brianv4 wrote:I don't know if there's any similarity, but I posted a thread regarding sending program changes in Setlist from an iPad. Seems there's def something wonky with PC messages and Setlist. I haven't gotten any responses yet. If I get any info that might be helpful I'll gladly pass it on to you.
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This worked for me, at least to achieve external program changes in set list mode. However, now my external devices are on a different channel from the Kronos global channel, and are not receiving any note data.V-man wrote:I solved the problem!
Apparently in Set List Mode, the Kronos always sends out PC messages corresponding to the Set List Slot numbers, if PC messages are enabled in Global settings of course. So to supress this behaviour and instead always let the PC message settings you have done in the combis be in control you need to do this:
In my case I have a Kronos as controller where I want to send PC messages to a Roland Integra 7 and a Roland D05 at the same time from a combi added to a Set List slot.
1. PC messages need to be enabled in Kronos Global mode
2. I've set the Kronos Global Midi channel to 16.
3. In the Integra, I set the "Global" Receive channel to 14.
4. In the D05 I set the Basic Receive channel to 15.
5. In the Kronos Combi, I use EXT2 on the parts and set the MSB/LSB/Program numbers that I want depending on which Studio Sets and Patches should play on the Integra and D05.
6. I add the Combi to a Set List slot on the Kronos and Voila, the PC messages that are sent is those set in the Combi, not the slot number in the Set List.
So my conclusion is that you need to set the global receive channels of the devices you want to control from the Kronos to a different channel than the Kronos Global Midi channel. This since the Kronos apparently always sends out slot number PC messages in Set List mode thru the Global Midi channel. But if you set your other devices not to listen to the Kronos Global Midi Channel it will go for the settings in the combis instead.
Am I forced to buy a channelizer to correct this? Seems that with the extensive capabilities of the Kronos it should be able to do this. Even my 40 year old DW8000 has an OMNI mode.
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KingKronos
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Program mode only responds to the global channel. This is most like MIDI mode 3, Omni off, Poly on. Except the drum track will have its own channel 10 by default.
Combi and sequencer modes are in MIDI mode 5, Multi on, Poly on. They
will send and receive on multiple channels.
So if your Kronos global channel doesn't match your other keyboards, you will have to use combi or seq mode to play Kronos sounds from them, or vice versa.
You can also use KARMA in these modes to re-channelize as needed.
Combi and sequencer modes are in MIDI mode 5, Multi on, Poly on. They
will send and receive on multiple channels.
So if your Kronos global channel doesn't match your other keyboards, you will have to use combi or seq mode to play Kronos sounds from them, or vice versa.
You can also use KARMA in these modes to re-channelize as needed.
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KingKronos
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There are a couple other shortcomings of the Kronos as a MIDI master controller. The lack of MIDI merge. No way to pass MIDI coming in on the DIN ports to USB midi out. Using external controllers to play soft synths in an ipad connected to the Kronos usb.
These "missing" features hurt most if you have a rig with more than one master keyboard. I ended up getting a Mio4 to solve all these issues and really expand the possibilities, with the Kronos returning as king controller again.
The mio4 is usb bus powered, so it only needs one cable to take care of everything. Great for gigs.
These "missing" features hurt most if you have a rig with more than one master keyboard. I ended up getting a Mio4 to solve all these issues and really expand the possibilities, with the Kronos returning as king controller again.
The mio4 is usb bus powered, so it only needs one cable to take care of everything. Great for gigs.