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As long as it aren't clear foto’s its best to consider them fakes..pawlikp100 wrote:Nice foto. Let me put it directly to the post message.
where did you find it?
It covers with with the photo of the front panel, shared here some time ago.
If Korg Italy wants to make steps, they need to step away from its current line of processors. They can not keep up with todays demands. They are old and based on last centuries ideas..Korghelper wrote:I think we are still confusing a product like a workstation or an arranger with the underlying engine inside it. There were considerable differences between the triton and the PA line of arrangers. But the hardware under the hood of the arranger had a LOT in common.
But the aspects that are being criticized in the Kronos are software design issues, not a product of the underlying engine. If the arranger design team want to change slider behavior, or change the appearance of the font size of the GUI, there’s no reason why they can’t.
It’s like taking a Corvette engine and dropping it into a new chassis. You don’t have to use the Corvette’s cup holders or dash!
Yes, there might be a newer CPU in the PA1000, but it certainly didn’t translate into more insert effects, or significantly faster response, or anything really noticeable. I rather doubt that CPU in a PA5X is going to translate to a tripling of effect processor power, or true modeled analog synth behavior, or any of the truly significant improvements in the Nautilus’ basic engine.
Don’t assume that minor design gaffes in the workstation line will automatically come over with the engine. The first Triton based PA series arranger was a VERY different experience to the user that the first Triton.
There is, however, ONE aspect of the Nautilus hardware/software that could use a significant reworking… It turns out, the number of supported basic sample ID’s is virtually the same as the PA4X’s. So the use of sliced drum and percussion loops is still going to be the same issue. Perhaps faster loading mitigates the problem, I’m not familiar with the sample load times of the Kronos/Nautilus compared to the PA4X (karma?), or whether there’s a high quality time and pitch transposition engine in the Naurilus that might make slicing moot, but it seems to me that upping the index number bit depth (the more bits, the more addresses) would allow loop slicing to become a more practical live tool.
Most arrangers have been tacked onto an existing hardware package from another line. Roland based the early G series (G1000, G800 etc.) on the Sound Canvas products. Later G and E series were based around the Fantom engine (G70, E80 etc), Korg have used the Triton engine for a long time. But they have a significantly better engine ready to go. Had it for ten years. And dropping a bit more powerful CPU into the old Triton framework isn’t going to help much, IMHO.
You can’t turn an in-line six into a V8, no matter how hard you work on the crankshaft! Come on, Korg… give us the V8!
If Korg Italy wants to make steps, they need to step away from its current line of processors. They can not keep up with todays demands. They are old and based on last centuries ideas..Korghelper wrote:I think we are still confusing a product like a workstation or an arranger with the underlying engine inside it. There were considerable differences between the triton and the PA line of arrangers. But the hardware under the hood of the arranger had a LOT in common.
But the aspects that are being criticized in the Kronos are software design issues, not a product of the underlying engine. If the arranger design team want to change slider behavior, or change the appearance of the font size of the GUI, there’s no reason why they can’t.
It’s like taking a Corvette engine and dropping it into a new chassis. You don’t have to use the Corvette’s cup holders or dash!
Yes, there might be a newer CPU in the PA1000, but it certainly didn’t translate into more insert effects, or significantly faster response, or anything really noticeable. I rather doubt that CPU in a PA5X is going to translate to a tripling of effect processor power, or true modeled analog synth behavior, or any of the truly significant improvements in the Nautilus’ basic engine.
Don’t assume that minor design gaffes in the workstation line will automatically come over with the engine. The first Triton based PA series arranger was a VERY different experience to the user that the first Triton.
There is, however, ONE aspect of the Nautilus hardware/software that could use a significant reworking… It turns out, the number of supported basic sample ID’s is virtually the same as the PA4X’s. So the use of sliced drum and percussion loops is still going to be the same issue. Perhaps faster loading mitigates the problem, I’m not familiar with the sample load times of the Kronos/Nautilus compared to the PA4X (karma?), or whether there’s a high quality time and pitch transposition engine in the Naurilus that might make slicing moot, but it seems to me that upping the index number bit depth (the more bits, the more addresses) would allow loop slicing to become a more practical live tool.
Most arrangers have been tacked onto an existing hardware package from another line. Roland based the early G series (G1000, G800 etc.) on the Sound Canvas products. Later G and E series were based around the Fantom engine (G70, E80 etc), Korg have used the Triton engine for a long time. But they have a significantly better engine ready to go. Had it for ten years. And dropping a bit more powerful CPU into the old Triton framework isn’t going to help much, IMHO.
You can’t turn an in-line six into a V8, no matter how hard you work on the crankshaft! Come on, Korg… give us the V8!
ckobu wrote:I cannot (I have no authority) to show more than this, and it is up to you to doubt or believe.
I totally agree with you. But unfortunately that will not happen with Korg. The new PA5X will be just a refined version of its predecessor.Bachus wrote: Korg first needs to make a hardware step up… then get a good OS working.. then translate the core of the Pa4x to the new OS.. then add the new features..
karmathanever wrote:
....and that would be an awesome title for a rumour
usaraiya wrote:I agree with Pete that Korg should and will respond as I cannot expect Korg to let Yamaha rule the Arranger world with its Genos!
Although I don't know anything, I expect to be blown off by the new Korg's TOTL arranger, and I am optimistic that it will happen soon. In his last post a year ago, Paolo said, "great things will happen this year" or something to that effect. So, let's wait & see.
To survive, Korg has to come out with a new KB, AND it has to be very good, enough to compete against the Genos, so expect fireworks!
Whether it's an upgrade or an entirely new system, they must have already figured out what works; all we can do is wait impatiently!
As I have said before, all's ok with the Genos until you touch the keyboard and then you are whisked back in time to a Bontempi from Woolworths.
Uday
Surely you don't have authority to be posting private stuff from private events/meetings!ckobu wrote:I cannot (I have no authority) to show more than this, and it is up to you to doubt or believe.
Assuming this photo is authentic? (I don't like to assume as Assumption is the mother of all #@*#-ups) Then taking legal action is highly unlikely as I'm sure this would be considered a public relations disaster...Annoying as it maybe to Korg management I would imagine we may well see a early release of a promotional video or something similar if we are close to a official release date...That way Korg stay in control even if their hand has been forced... A Hypothesis of course.kenantr86 wrote:Surely you don't have authority to be posting private stuff from private events/meetings!ckobu wrote:I cannot (I have no authority) to show more than this, and it is up to you to doubt or believe.
Why would anyone expose themselves like this.
If I were KORG, I'd be taking legal action against you, asap.
Why wouldn’t you?karmathanever wrote:+100ckobu wrote:Guys, relax ..
Never been more relaxed
Why wouldn’t you?karmathanever wrote:+100ckobu wrote:Guys, relax ..
Never been more relaxed
They have too, the current line of processors they are using is getting extinct..ckobu wrote:I totally agree with you. But unfortunately that will not happen with Korg. The new PA5X will be just a refined version of its predecessor.Bachus wrote: Korg first needs to make a hardware step up… then get a good OS working.. then translate the core of the Pa4x to the new OS.. then add the new features..
