Turn off Midi input on some tracks (COMBI)

[brunoedgardo]

Hi,

I have created a COMBI and I have an external MIDI keyboard that only transmits on channel 1. I want that track 1 of my COMBI plays with the keyboard of the kronos and the track 2 and 3 plays (also on channel 1) but only with the external MIDI keyboard.

Is there a way to enable/disable external MIDI only on some tracks? and is there a way to disable the main keyboard on a track, being everything (Kronos and external MIDI) in CHANNELL 1? Or I need tu buy another external midi controller?


Combi:
Track 1: Only kronos keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)
Track 2: Only external MIDI keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)
Track 3: Only external MIDI keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)


THANKS!

[Scott]

Combi:
Track 1: Only kronos keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)
Track 2: Only external MIDI keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)
Track 3: Only external MIDI keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)

off the top of my head, I think the solution is to change Track 1 to some MIDI channel other than 1... let's say, channel 2. Then change the Kronos Global Channel to 2. I think that will do what you want... Kronos keyboard using trigger timbre (track) 1 on channel 2; external controller will trigger timbres 2 and 3 (using MIDI channel 1).

[brunoedgardo]

Hi,
I tried, but kronos always uses the GLOBAL channel, so the kronos keyboard sends notes to channels 2 and 1.
The final solution was to use the midi controller in octaves outside the keyboard range and put the sounds I needed there.

Thank you

[Scott]

Hi,
I tried, but kronos always uses the GLOBAL channel, so the kronos keyboard sends notes to channels 2 and 1.
The final solution was to use the midi controller in octaves outside the keyboard range and put the sounds I needed there.

Thank you

Yes, using key assignments on a single channel is another solution.

But I think what I suggested should have worked as well.

It is true that the Kronos keys always trigger whatever is on the Global channel. But the Kronos keys do NOT necessarily trigger what is NOT on the Global channel. So if the Global Channel is 2, the Kronos keys should be able to only play sounds that have been assigned to channel 2, and not the sounds that have been assigned to channel 1 (leaving the Channel 1 sounds to be played only by the external keyboard which is transmitting on channel 1).

That said, for some reason, just trying something similar, with the global channel set to 1, my internal Kronos keys were playing sounds that were assigned to channel 1 AND sounds that were assigned to channel 16, whereas I only expected to hear the channel 1 sound. So apparently there's something I'm missing here too. I don't know what is special about channel 16 in my case... it's not playing the sounds that are on channels 2 through 15, just 1 (global) and 16. Hmmph!

[brunoedgardo]

It's strange what you mention about channel 16.
Later I will try what you recommend. Maybe I didn't configure something right.

When I connect my Alesis everything works fine, because I send Alesis through channel 2. But now I'm using the rockband PS3 keytar that I liked because of how portable it is...

Thanks for your suggestion

[Scott]

The info just posted at http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... p?p=817885 might be relevant here, too.

[loiscr]

Combi:
Track 1: Only kronos keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)
Track 2: Only external MIDI keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)
Track 3: Only external MIDI keyboard (MIDI CHANNEL 1)

off the top of my head, I think the solution is to change Track 1 to some MIDI channel other than 1... let's say, channel 2. Then change the Kronos Global Channel to 2. I think that will do what you want... Kronos keyboard using trigger timbre (track) 1 on channel 2; external controller will trigger timbres 2 and 3 (using MIDI channel 1).

After several days of going crazy, I think I have found where the error is.

It turns out that Karma is redirecting and "duplicating" the Gch midi data to Ch1.

If you go to the KARMA / GE SETUP / KEYZONES tab, look at the bottom, where it says "MIDI I/O"

You will see that by default it is set that karma in (A) everything that it receives through the CH channel is forwarded to channel 1.

This is working EVEN though karma is turned off (YEAH, MY FRIEND).

For this reason, in global mode if we indicate that we do NOT want channel 1 to be global, channel 1 continues to play, because even if we have set ch5 as global (for example) karma continues to transmit from global midi to 1 and 1 continues to play.

That is why 1 always continues to work, because even if we deactivate it, karma continues to pass the information to it.

Note that if you put in midi I/O Gch to Ch2 now it will be channel 2 that will always play even if we put in global that the global channel is 7 for example.

That's where all the problems come from. And now all the problems you explained make sense.

I don't know what the solution is the best to disable this repetitive routing. What I have done has been to put in MIDI (I/O) in the karma modules (A, B, C and D) input ch 16 and Output CH 16 and Timbre Thru OFF for more security.

So the karma repeater router does not hear and does not speak at all. I have sacrificed channel 16 because I don't use it and because I don't use karma. What if you use 16 or use karma, you will have to see how you configure it, but you already know where the problem is and what you have to adjust with!

I guess this is correct on KORG's part, but it's a bit "cheating" to leave that routing active there by default, since it makes you go crazy and don't know where the failures come from.

I hope I have helped you even if it is late, I was very happy to have discovered it, because I thought it was a Korg problem and I was not going to be able to do what I wanted with the Kronos.

Remember, it's not enough to just turn off the Timbre Thru, you also have to do something with the karma Midi I/O routing to make the problem go away. And it doesn't matter that karma is turned off, the forwarding of the channel produces the same.