PA5X no where to be found

Xx_Joey_xX · Post by **Xx_Joey_xX** » Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:29 am

Hello All

I've had a pa5x61 on order since July we're almost in January. The store that I'm buying it from still have no idea on when my keyboard will come in. I called KORG and had a lengthy talk with them and according to them they don't know when these keyboards will be available.

Korg not knowing when these keyboards will be available is just BS. I understand there are production issues all over the globe, However there should be updates.

rikkisbears · Post by **rikkisbears** » Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:30 am

Hi Joey, they’re all basically on back order where I live too. Contact for availability from the store where I buy my stuff.

So frustrating for you. It seems a bit unbelievable that they can’t tell you what’s going on.

menara · Post by **menara** » Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:40 pm

Shipping information from korg Italy to the US can be found here :
https://www.importgenius.com/suppliers/korg-italy-spa

rubenwalters · Post by **rubenwalters** » Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:37 pm

i am wondering where the problems are at korg‘s factory.
i know that it might be difficult to give detailed informations to customers without damage of reputation.
but i think it would be good to give some informations out to us.

I don‘t want another keyboard. so i want to have a planning idea for going further with my music plans with korg.

i‘m afraid that we have to wait for more than 6-8 months again. some dealers say it becomes early spring 2023 for more items at europe, but still small amount - so no chance because hundreds are waiting on waitinglists. that says until we can get really one (or test one at a store) it will come up to summer or autum 2023. so more than one year after launch.

i also wondering why korg launched the pa5x if they know they can‘t produce it. very strange to me … and the don‘t communicate anything to us and also nothing to importers and dealers. still no information to nobody.
very strange to me …

keithwjones · Post by **keithwjones** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:30 pm

I am being told that they are coming into UK every month now.

Keith

nitecrawler · Post by **nitecrawler** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:00 pm

keithwjones wrote:I am being told that they are coming into UK every month now.

Keith

That is what was mentioned in the last webinar on Thursday.

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:58 pm

There’s a world wide chip shortage for everything due to Covid. Doesn't help that scalpers and making a fortune off this too.

So be it a KORG, or a Car, there's delays across the entire market due to chip shortages. Unless you want to pay 10X times the price for chips.

Regards
Sharp.

D575 · Post by **D575** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:43 pm

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Xx_Joey_xX · Post by **Xx_Joey_xX** » Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:00 am

UPDATE

I ended up cancelling my pa5x order from westlake audio in CA.
A friend of mine bought over 40k in audio and pa equipment from guitar center, I bought a pa5x from them for a great price. They gave me a huge discount and I paid $3950 for it.
They tell me I should have it by March 25

In the meantime I bought a used pa4x in great shape for $2900 which I will end up selling once my pa5x is ready.

Blazenko · Post by **Blazenko** » Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:09 am

You can see how stupid KORG is. They already knew very well in spring 2022 that there was a global bottleneck in the electronics and materials sector (corona, war in Ukraine) and that the supply routes were interrupted.

Instead of then concentrating on existing products like the Pa4X or Pa1000 to further improve and expand the operating system, no, KORG releases an unfinished, completely NEW product...

Xx_Joey_xX · Post by **Xx_Joey_xX** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:04 am

Blazenko wrote:You can see how stupid KORG is. They already knew very well in spring 2022 that there was a global bottleneck in the electronics and materials sector (corona, war in Ukraine) and that the supply routes were interrupted.

Instead of then concentrating on existing products like the Pa4X or Pa1000 to further improve and expand the operating system, no, KORG releases an unfinished, completely NEW product...

Dude they botched this launch big time. I don't think this was planned very well.
They had to release something to compete with Yamaha.

The 4x and other pa models still need an update to improve and fine tune a few things.

siebenhirter · Post by **siebenhirter** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:58 pm

Xx_Joey_xX wrote:
Blazenko wrote:You can see how stupid KORG is. They already knew very well in spring 2022 that there was a global bottleneck in the electronics and materials sector (corona, war in Ukraine) and that the supply routes were interrupted....
.... they had to release something to compete with Yamaha.

The 4x and other pa models still need an update to improve and fine tune a few things.

It was never necessary to compete with hasty, ill-considered actions - hopefully Korg will learn from that.

In the spring of 2022 I think it was far too late for Korg to react to the causes of the interrupted supply routes - Korg cannot be blamed for that.
Sure - one mistake was the release of the unfinished Pa5x, because in this state it should not have been released for sale in spring 2022.

The replacement of the meanwhile seven-year-old Pa4x could have been postponed by two years with the argument of the meanwhile well-known interruptions in supply routes, in order to program the OS in the meantime to justify the publication of a well equipped and functional Pa5x as a new model.

At the same time, it would have been possible to program the current series (eg the Pa1000/700) with a view to features as planned for the Pa5x.
But it is the next mistake that there have been no updates for the midrange models that have already been sold in large numbers for a long time.

That wouldn't even have caused any additional overhead because the Pa5x/1000/700 are equipped with hardware from the same chip family. The SoC of Pa5x and Pa1000/700 essentially only differs by dual-core/single-core subsystems. The Pa5x features a dual ARM Cortex-A15 Microprocessor subsystem and is equipped with two C66x floating-point VLIW DSPs (TI AM5728), making it twice as powerful as the Pa1000/700's single-core ARM subsystem (TI AM5718). But programming them of both types is the same ---> https://www.ti.com/product/AM5718 .... https://www.ti.com/product/AM5718

ARM programmability (ARM means Advanced RISC Machine) allows software developers to keep the control functions separate from other algorithms programmed on the DSPs and coprocessors - thats reducing system software complexity.
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Older, typical server architectures (x86) had a modular approach based on a motherboard with swappable components.
The CPU and components (graphics cards and GPUs, memory controllers, storage, processing cores) was optimized for specific functions and could be swapped out or expanded.
ARM-based processor rather than having the processing unit separate from the rest of the hardware the CPU cores are part of the physical platform for the integrated circuit. Other hardware functions (like I/O bus controllers such as peripheral component interconnect) are on the same physical platform, and all of the different functions are integrated together through an internal bus. When components like these are placed on the same integrated circuit, this is called a system on a chip or SoC.
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For AM57x-SoC a complete set of development tools for the ARM and C66x DSP is provided, including C compilers, a DSP assembly optimizer to simplify programming and scheduling, and a debugging interface for visibility into source code execution.
---> https://software-dl.ti.com/processor-sd ... x_FDS.html
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PS: What I expect from KORG - regardless of when a Pa5x will be available with the expected functions: that the mid-range models will be equipped and updated with powerful features, which the built-in hardware would allow them to do.

Although the delivery bottlenecks will be resolved in 2023 based on forecasts - I think the majority of customers with Pa1000/700 do not have to wait for the delivery of hardware. But they have been waiting for years for a reasonable update that is adapted to the hardware properties, but which is not dependent on delivery bottlenecks, but only on Korg's inadequate software engineering!

rubenwalters · Post by **rubenwalters** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:42 pm

... sounds good ... smile ... but i think there are maybe more circumstands.
maybe korg was set other products on higher priority?
maybe the didn't have enough manpower?
maybe the spontaneus changed electronic parts caused a long approval process before producing/selling?

we all don't know this and korg don't want to tell us. and speculations don't help us.
so we just can take it - wail - or leave it ...

but fact is fir me that korg pa5x would be the best fitting arranger for me. and no one of other brands is on the same level.
so i still hope and wait more months until a pa5x will be available ...

siebenhirter · Post by **siebenhirter** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:02 pm

rubenwalters wrote:... ... but i think there are maybe more circumstands.
maybe korg was set other products on higher priority?
maybe the didn't have enough manpower?
maybe the spontaneus changed electronic parts caused a long approval process before producing/selling?

we all don't know this and korg don't want to tell us. and speculations don't ...

but fact is for me that korg pa5x would be the best fitting arranger for me. and no one of other brands is on the same level.
so i still hope and wait more months until a pa5x will be available ...

Of course, speculation doesn't help.

Electronic parts for Pa5xl/1000/700 do not cause approval processes, because these were completed more than four years ago. Problems with the Pa series are mainly caused by software.

If you speculate KORG is understaffed or has other priorities, then they may have the best fitting arranger and no other brand be on the same level, but then you will wait for an unfinished product.

The Pa5x, which was already delivered last year, equipped with incomplete software, meanwhile could be updated at any time with fully functional software. But this software would have to be completed and available - that does not seem to be - and that is absolutely independent of delivery problems with electronic components.

If Korg's behavior can be described as a sales strategy, it is obviously flawed and anything but customer-friendly. But I will not take part in your speculations - for me Korg's negligence is obvious.

The question is therefore not why one cannot obtain a Pa5x, but rather whether one can get a fully and satisfactorily running software in the future with a Pa5x.

rubenwalters · Post by **rubenwalters** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:22 pm

i agree fully ... korg made a full misstake and don't talk to users. that seems to be their strategy ...
but for me it is fact that not one single pa5x is available next months for sure.
and also we have very different kind of users here. i want simply to play and improvisations. i do not edit styles and such. simply play and arrange to get ideas and for fun.

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