Pa4X Pro users , now is the time to upgrade ...

pax-eterna.1 · Post by **pax-eterna.1** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:44 pm

AntonySharmman wrote:- External Sequencer support ... you all can explore attached PDF of Update.
Copy/Paste, Cut/Insert, Transpose, Velocity, Quantize functions were missing since one year from main Style editor and users
managed to live without them until this Update and in next one , those SEQ functions will be addressed too as many others.

- Pa4X - 700 support BKP full resources , it's waste of time to back up and reload separately modified factory resources.

- You can manually save Pa5X factory resources as in any PaSeries , but it's really silly IMO when you have a file browser in Pa5X
with unlimited number of folders and files that you can built and organize any kind of factory resources in a far better architecture
in any media storage in one step plug and play in any other Pa5X like a rent one in gigs/live performances ...

Get used with this new architecture arranger , 20 years have passed since Pa800 / Pa1X !

Even so, I still wish they'd release an updated Songbook editor

kleant · Post by **kleant** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:15 pm

Don't understand the hype Korg Pa5X got the same functions as Pa4X still with bugs but at least some functions added on the latest update!

If Korg are going to give me Pa5X for free and pay me to find and report all the bugs maybe I will reconsider however for 4000 bucks I'm not willing to scratch my head on endless loop of working not working, waiting for updates for years!

Pa4X is more than capable of doing nearly everything that Pa5X does apart from dual player or matrix that nobody uses.

worth · Post by **worth** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:41 am

Agreed

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:59 am

kleant wrote:Pa4X is more than capable of doing nearly everything that Pa5X does apart from dual player or matrix that nobody uses.

It's just the opposite anymore , Pa5X is now capable to do almost every basic function of Pa4X and at the end of 2023 will do all , but Pa5X is not
even close to Pa4X concerning upgraded Sound engine features , 8 GB custom Samples , more than double polyphony in real stereo samples and
seamless stereo-phony clarity compared to any Korg product not to mention added insert FX/Finalliser that will transform Styles to studio production.

Only both Pa5X & Pa4X owners can really see the great difference anymore , all others will just speculate ...

Xx_Joey_xX · Post by **Xx_Joey_xX** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:26 am

I don't understand how KORG works.
You build and add on functions that are time proven and work. After a year of release almost the pa5x is still not as functional as the korg pa4x.

In style edit, where is the DELETE NOTE button?
this has been there since the i30 days?

If I wanna delete a single note I have to go into event edit and delete from there.
How about if I wanna try certain notes while the style is recording? DRUMS, PERC etc?

Why are all user styles and sounds in alphabetical order?
Even when I try to change em to locations that work for me They always get arranged by alphabetical order?

petr14 · Post by **petr14** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:03 am

Xx_Joey_xX wrote:I don't understand how KORG works.

My understanding is that Korg decided to re-write it from scratch instead of modifying the existing OS. That means they have to reprogram all the functions. It's a painful process, but necessary from time to time. The old OS was probably already full of hacks and unmaintainable. This will allow Korg to come up with new features that were unfeasible in the old OS, but it will take him several years to debug this new OS.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:12 am

Xx_Joey_xX wrote: After a year of release almost the pa5x is still not as functional as the korg pa4x.

Because it is not a continuation of Pa3-4X despite of name , and they try to caught up /implement most of Pa4X functions
and then continuing developing new features & Matrix in this brand new Pa5X GUI & interface.
Even Pa4X was not ready after a year of its debut , we were all aware !
Pa4X became a serious arranger after OS Next with user samples streaming and this happened after 3 years !

All Style editor functions are present at last after OS v.1.2 as mentioned in topic reference.
About alphabetical order , Pa5X Browser works as a Win/Mac explorer , we have asked a position option but meantime
use numeric priority 00 - 99 per created bank.

Xx_Joey_xX · Post by **Xx_Joey_xX** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:52 pm

petr14 wrote:
Xx_Joey_xX wrote:I don't understand how KORG works.
My understanding is that Korg decided to re-write it from scratch instead of modifying the existing OS. That means they have to reprogram all the functions. It's a painful process, but necessary from time to time. The old OS was probably already full of hacks and unmaintainable. This will allow Korg to come up with new features that were unfeasible in the old OS, but it will take him several years to debug this new OS.

I understand what you mean however. These are basic keyboard functions. Debugging should be done by korg mainly not the user. It will take them several years to get it right but they're getting paid when I walk out the store. I don't pay them for several years.

worth · Post by **worth** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:08 am

Agreed .

No one should have to wait a year for the keyboard they purchased a year ago to be capable of doing 90% of the keyboard they previously owned .

But increasingly I see illogical and outright dishonest marketing from Korg being rewarded by loyal customers .

They must be doing something right

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:31 am

I see these improvements in the Pa5x compared with Pa4x

o... a greatly enhanced sample memory
o... a superb graphical user interface improvement
o... option of 88 note fully weighted keyboard version

It seems to me that these technology improvements might enable Korg to lead the market with e-Grand pianos in future. Can any Pa5x owner tell me ... What is the best grand piano on the Pa5x like compared with the Italian Grand on the Pa4x?

o... half damper pedalling? - special samples?
o... true damper resonance? - 5th and 8ves sound when striking a note?
o... sostenuto pedalling? - special samples?

Thanks
Rob

Xx_Joey_xX · Post by **Xx_Joey_xX** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:48 am

Rob Sherratt wrote:I see these improvements in the Pa5x compared with Pa4x

o... a greatly enhanced sample memory
o... a superb graphical user interface improvement
o... option of 88 note fully weighted keyboard version

It seems to me that these technology improvements might enable Korg to lead the market with e-Grand pianos in future. Can any Pa5x owner tell me ... What is the best grand piano on the Pa5x like compared with the Italian Grand on the Pa4x?

o... half damper pedalling? - special samples?
o... true damper resonance? - 5th and 8ves sound when striking a note?
o... sostenuto pedalling? - special samples?

Thanks
Rob

Rob ya that sounds great on paper however some of these features need to be functional and the user must be able to access and use them. Most people are not complaining about things that you mentioned.

They released a keyboard with a broken style edit/create mode.
even with 1.2 there is no way to try different patterns, notes, perc, drums as the style is recording. That was available from i3,i30, pa80, pa800, pa1x,pa2x,pa3x,pa4x all you did was hold the DELETE button on the screen and do as you wish? Where is the undo function?

simple things such as writing styles/sounds in locations that I WANT not have them in alphabetical order! even with 1.2 the keyboard still has broken software that's missing things from previous keyboards. It's limiting the functionality for advanced users.

duby2 · Post by **duby2** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:45 am

Yes I want one ,yes it sounds better than any keyboard but.

Now is not the time to upgrade.
If you're just playing music in your bathroom then it is time to upgrade..

Everyone who says upgrade your keyboard must be a salesman for korg..
Save your money in a bank collect some interest and a year or two, see how well the keyboard is doing , wait, what is your hurry you live this long without it go a little longer

buy a new korg pa5x so you can become a new beta testers for korg ..

korg needs more new beta testers to pay korg to test out the new bugs.

Remember you already paid them they don't pay you

people feel better when everyone makes the same mistake ,,

Or misery loves company.

just my opinion ... beta testers

worth · Post by **worth** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:02 am

Agreed again .

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:37 am

Rob Sherratt wrote:... What is the best grand piano on the Pa5x like compared with the Italian Grand on the Pa4x?

Rob , Pa5X has all Pa4X Grand pianos plus some pianos borrowed from Kronos in 6 velocity layers , but new added pianos are in
real stereo PCM format and not paired L-R multisamples like in Pa4X , every stereo note uses one note polyphony so increased polyphony
in stereo samples is enhanced 65% in Pa5X.
In other words , a stereo piano in Pa4X uses 2 notes polyphony per note with paired L-R multisamples so the polyphony of 128
notes is reduced to 64.
Pa5X has a real polyphony of 160 notes per stereo note , this is the real game changing in Sampler engine.

Better piano Hmm ... this is very subjective ! Me for instance I never liked any Korg Piano , I always use pianos of my development and
now I have the Ram capability in Pa5X to use 2 & 3 Gb premium Grand Pianos of WavesArt.
The pros in factory pianos samples is the correct resonance velocity layers samples so you can reduce custom piano size using them.

Concerning users that want the exact editing buttons of Pa4X , stay in your Pa4X and let other expert users and developers going on.
We do not defend Korg but now we can work sufficiently in style editor and do all we did in Pa4X while development of Pa5X is continuing.

Xx_Joey_xX · Post by **Xx_Joey_xX** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:15 am

AntonySharmman wrote:
Rob Sherratt wrote:... What is the best grand piano on the Pa5x like compared with the Italian Grand on the Pa4x?
Rob , Pa5X has all Pa4X Grand pianos plus some pianos borrowed from Kronos in 6 velocity layers , but new added pianos are in
real stereo PCM format and not paired L-R multisamples like in Pa4X , every stereo note uses one note polyphony so increased polyphony
in stereo samples is enhanced 65% in Pa5X.
In other words , a stereo piano in Pa4X uses 2 notes polyphony per note with paired L-R multisamples so the polyphony of 128
notes is reduced to 64.
Pa5X has a real polyphony of 160 notes per stereo note , this is the real game changing in Sampler engine.

Better piano Hmm ... this is very subjective ! Me for instance I never liked any Korg

"concerning users that want exact editing buttons of pa4x stay in your pa4x and let other expert users and developers going on"

That's just an ignorant thing to say.
You can be a korg fan boy all you want facts are facts.
Maybe for you an outta the box keyboard works fine for you since you seem to be a basic user with basic thinking.
Many of us need to edit and custom styles and settings.
A number of the people commenting made custom styles for korg that you cant even begin to understand it seems like.

Good. Luck.