A 'Newbie' Question on loading new sounds to the PA5X

[sjmarano]

I'm a licensed user of the Global Sounds Artist edition. Timor's standard installation resulted in
those keyboard sets being installed in newly created user banks numbered 1-9.

I'm strongly considering acquiring and installing the new PA5X sounds that Keyboard World
will be releasing on March 7th of this year. According to what I've read from Keyboard World,
they normally would be installed as User Banks 1-10.

My question: will the new Keyboard World sounds overwrite the Global Sounds content? Or will the PA5X operating system
automatically add the new sounds in new user banks (e.g. 10-19), or at least give me the option to install the Keyboard World
sounds into additional new user banks?

Sorry for what might appear to be a dumb question, but I'd rather play it safe and ask here before possible
discovering the hard way.

[AntonySharmman]

- In Pa5X , the only resources that have limitations are SOUND Banks , all other resources are used
just like in computer explorer , so yes if you load any sound bank xx this sound bank will overwrite existing
sound bank xx and you will create orphan samples loaded.
- If you load in All mode Any.KST folder this will delete all your existing samples.
- If you want to load 2 sets that they are not using the same Sound Banks , you have to open KST folder of both
and load only Sound banks of every set and never sampling data , and then the rest of resources.
- Merging sound resources is not feasible via OS , not even by you if you do not have deep knowledge
of resources contents and where they are used , external utility promises that function but I'm not convinced.
- Only sound developer can merge his commercial resources , like WavesArt that in the same sound bank you
can install up to 5 sound libraries but this concept was created from the beginning and all were settled properly.


hope this helps

[RoccoD]

I had similar questions on this topic. It would be great if Korg supplied an editor/librarian to manage sounds. This would be a great topic for an Adam and Luke podcast!

[sjmarano]

Thanks, Antony, for your prompt reply. I just want to make sure that I understand your comments correctly. I believe you are saying that it IS possible to load a sound bank without overwriting an existing sound bank in user memory. But to do that, you must load the sound files INDIVIDUALLY. And that you should NOT attempt to load the entire KST folder, which WOULD overwrite the existing user banks. Is this a proper understanding?

For the record, after posting my question, I was able to find the following paragraph in the official Korg PA5X User Manual (page 726) which would seem to confirm this (I have highlighted the key information in bold print):

"When loading a KST folder containing Sounds based on User Samples, all User
Samples in memory are deleted. If there are unsaved User Samples in memory,
save them before loading the new ones.
To see if a KST folder contains User Samples, open it and check if a PCM folder
is included.
If you want to load new User Sample without deleting the ones already contained
in memory, load the individual Sounds instead of a whole KST folder."

[BAZZ021947]

Hi Guy,s
Sounds a tricky one if you dont know what your doing.Could really mess things up.
Agree with Rocco a Youtube video on this would be a great help.
BTW Adam no longer works for Korg he is at a company called Scan Audio where he posts some very useful videos on Pa 5X

Cheers Barry

[sjmarano]

I agree, Barry, which is the reason for my hesitancy in acquiring any additional third party PA5X sounds/keyboard sets that utilize new samples.
FWIW, I just e-mailed Paul Carman at Keyboard World directly (producer of the to-be-released sound collection as well as creator of the Keyboard Academy YouTube channel) to ask him the same question. I also suggested he consider producing a video about this which would benefit both potential customers and his company.

[AntonySharmman]

you should NOT attempt to load the entire KST folder, which WOULD overwrite the existing user banks.
Is this a proper understanding?

- Loading the whole KST you will delete the existing previously loaded samples.
- Loading KST folder without ticking box "override all" it will load only the existing Sound Banks but again all existing
samples will be deleted .
- Only by loading a Sound Bank or partial sounds of bank of a KST folder , you can preserve existing samples
and new samples will be added in append mode like in Kronos.
- If you have two commercial KST sets that both use for instance User Bank 6 , you can load from one only Sound Bank 6
to new Sound Bank 12 , Sounds will work correctly and both sets samples will be loaded , but KBD & Styles references
of this set will be messed up and will point to the wrong sounds of the other set ...

No tutorial will help you in that ... you can't merge two advanced pro commercial sets , not even creators can do it.
Just select and purchase the best for you or load every time the resources you need via whole KST folders.



Hope this helps

[sjmarano]

Got it now, Antony. Thank you for the clear explanation and insights, including the fact that any new third party styles that might be included in the collection would also rely upon the new third party sounds being located where the third party developer intended. I can see where adding a second third party collection would likely require a lot of time consuming 'manual' installation and then modification of new styles after the fact to ensure everything was working as the developer intended. Seems like it could be more trouble than it's worth.

[smstome]

Korg PA manager is an excellent tool for your requirement.
Merging kst files, reallocating user sound slots without breaking their links to samples, keyboard sets, styles and pads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCgSWeNRPUA

[chelsea4023]

Hi,
Smstome, thank you for your reference to Korg PA Manager and it's ability to merge KST's.

I have the latest Version of the Software but really struggle with it due to the absence of a proper Manual. I've been asking for one for ages but just keep getting told to go watch a video guide by the owner of the Software.

I have purchased numerous pieces of software for the PA5X and in total I will have around eight different .KST files that I hope to eventually load in the keyboard. (Keyboard Academy PA5X toolkit, John Beesley PAX software, Global Sounds Artists Edition PA5X software, Osimo PA5X software). How I am going to be able to get them all on my PA5X at the same time is beyond me.

Chris

[smstome]

A little planning is required.
Load each kst into pa manager separately. Remap the User sound slots and user drumkit slots in such a way that they don't overlap other kst's user slots. Once you have them all saved as mentioned above then merge them.
I have merged 10+ sets (pa3x, pa4x) and kst files without any issue.
It takes time though.

The key is to organise them individually without overlapping other kst's user slots and then merging.

[DaPale]

It's great that Korg offers the ability to load KST files, but I hope they finish this functionality and make it work so that you have the ability to just load different KST files without having to go through all the hassle. I hope Korg recognizes our problems and will address this