Doubt about how to set the lower part off automatically while intro1/ending1 are playing in custom styles

[epereirajle]

Hi,

I have converted some Yamaha styles and noticed that the lower part (when activated) isn't being turned off during intros and endings, and if Intro 1 has a melody, it's not correct that the lower part plays fixed notes.

In the factory styles, while the Intro 1/Ending 1 parts are playing, the lower part is temporarily turned off and then turned back on when the style reaches the normal parts of the style.

I tried to find in the manual and in the style editing menus where I can configure this feature, but I couldn't find it.

Of course I could set it to play the lowest part only when I hold the chord, but in some styles I like to keep it always playing, except in the intro1/ending1.

Does anyone know how to configure this function in the styles editor?

Thank you!

[siebenhirter]

Hi, I have converted some Yamaha styles and noticed that the lower part (when activated) isn't being turned off during intros and endings, and if Intro 1 has a melody, it's not correct that the lower part plays fixed notes....

I think there nothing is wrong with your converted styles, but maybe function of Intro/Ending was misunderstood.

The style function does not turn off an active lower part by intros and endings - also this certainly doesn't happen with factory styles!

Intro 1 and Ending 1 comes with prerecorded chord sequences and melody. That does not mean lower part will play fixed notes, but will play prerecorded sequences and melody based on chords automatically recognized - means chord sequences and melody always are controlled by the active chords.

[epereirajle]

Hi siebenhirter,

Thank you for your reply, but maybe I was not so clear.

I just tested it again in some factory styles and it really happens.

If you turn on the LOWER part and the let Memory ON and the memory is configured to HOLD the lower part (let's say a string), when you play VAR1 with a chord, the strings notes of the chord remain active and follow the chords and melody normally, but if you press INTRO1, the lower button will turn off (the led will turn off) automatically, but actually it won't turn on again automatically as I said.

But it avoids that the fixed chord notes stay static while INTRO1 melody plays, that is correct.

My doubt is about customs styles (converted from Yamaha) that are not turning the lower part of automatically.

Maybe is some setting in the style editing that I didnt found or maybe there is some special Midi Event that factory styles have, that will turn off the lower part when INTRO1 is pressed.

[siebenhirter]

.. your reply, but maybe I was not so clear. I just tested it again in some factory styles and it really happens...

The buttons Lower/Upper are used to choose where to play chords, but it is not intended that Intro1 should automatically switch off Lower.

What you doubt about user styles (converted from Yamaha), not turning off thel lower part is unfounded. Switching off Lower that you noticed is a function of the chord sequencer, for which it is primarily necessary to save the intended style element (such as Intro 1) with a chord sequence.
To decide if you want to use that chord sequences is to enable with the Button "Sequence".

That is useful, if chord sequence should play chords and you prefer to use left hand to play solo on the keyboard. Factory styles sometimes use chord sequences, but this is not limited to factory styles, but can also be used to program user styles with chord sequences.

You can enable or disable the Chord Sequence by using the SEQUENCE button in the CHORD section in the control panel. The SEQUENCE indicator shows the status of the Chord Sequences with OFF (Sequence not available), WHITE (Sequence available, but not activate for playing). ORANGE/BLUE flashing (Sequence available and ready to play in the corresponding Player1 or Player2), ORANGE/BLUE steady (Sequence playing in the corresponding Player).

addendum: your postings "the lower part is temporarily turned off and then turned back on when the style reaches the normal parts of the style" was misleading.

It's not the Lower Part, but the Chord Recognition that temporarily will be turned off. If the chord button's LED will turn off, it simply means manual chord recognition will not be used, but sounds of lower/upper keyboard still remain as set/saved in the keyboard set.

[epereirajle]

Hi siebenhirter

Now I noticed that we are talking about different buttons

I understood that you are talking about the chord recognition button (LOWER, Upper) while I'm talking about LOWER PART button (it is near UPPER3, UPPER2, UPPER1) in the "Keyboard" section, in the right below from the display.

If the LOWER PART button is active and you select intro1 and start, LOWER PART button ("keyboard" section) will be turned off automatically in the factory styles, whats is not happening in my customs styles. That is my doubt.

[JagiChan]

If the LOWER PART button is active and you select intro1 and start, LOWER PART button ("keyboard" section) will be turned off automatically in the factory styles, whats is not happening in my customs styles. That is my doubt.

Can you share which factory style you are referring to that is misbehaving? Would be helpful if you could share the method to reproduce the issue.

[siebenhirter]

... noticed that we are talking about different buttons ... you select intro1 and start, LOWER PART button ("keyboard" section) will be turned off automatically in the factory styles, whats is not happening in my customs styles. That is my doubt...

Hello,
to turn on/off a keyboard sound is a keyboard function, done manually or automatically with a keyboard set, also triggered by a style change/style performance.

Now maybe with Pa5x it is possible to assign different style performances with single style elements (intro1), but I can't imagine that each individual style element will enable/disable to turn on/off sounds of keyboard

I also did not find that published in the manual, but you if you want to edit and save such a factory style, copy or save it into the User area. Access editing the copy automatically created in memory, where you can search what is inside in its Intro1 turning on/off keyboard sounds - perhaps you can find unpublished remote commands there.

[epereirajle]

If the LOWER PART button is active and you select intro1 and start, LOWER PART button ("keyboard" section) will be turned off automatically in the factory styles, whats is not happening in my customs styles. That is my doubt.

Can you share which factory style you are referring to that is misbehaving? Would be helpful if you could share the method to reproduce the issue.

Hi JagiChan,
See some converted styles in my drive below (in the folder PA5X MOVIE & FS STYLES...):
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... 5igkJRTYIX

Check the Top Gun and Game of Thones styles as example.

These styles I converted from Genos & Genos 2 using Cubase (as the QUI ROBINEZ guide) and it happens in all of them.
I suppose it is not a problem, but some fuction or configuration that is not activated in the style.

Other older styles that I converted with SYTLE WORKS works normally like the factory ones, which means that the lower part (near Upper3) is disabled when INTRO1 plays.

[epereirajle]

... noticed that we are talking about different buttons ... you select intro1 and start, LOWER PART button ("keyboard" section) will be turned off automatically in the factory styles, whats is not happening in my customs styles. That is my doubt...

Hello,
to turn on/off a keyboard sound is a keyboard function, done manually or automatically with a keyboard set, also triggered by a style change/style performance.

Now maybe with Pa5x it is possible to assign different style performances with single style elements (intro1), but I can't imagine that each individual style element will enable/disable to turn on/off sounds of keyboard

I also did not find that published in the manual, but you if you want to edit and save such a factory style, copy or save it into the User area. Access editing the copy automatically created in memory, where you can search what is inside in its Intro1 turning on/off keyboard sounds - perhaps you can find unpublished remote commands there.

Hello siebenhirter,
Yes, I'm aware that I could simple turn off the Lower Part and save as a keyboard set, but I really want to understand why it is not working in my custom styles (made with cubase and after imported as a style) when comparing with factory styles or those converted with styleworks.
The standard of all styles is to disable the Lower Part (neat Upper3) when INTRO1 is Playing, since it is usually a melody. I already tried to find some command inside each track of some factory styles but didn't see anything different.
It is something that I missed and it is not a problem or bug, but probably some configuration that I don't know.
This topic may not be that relevant, but it's something I'd like to understand and I believe one of the purposes of this forum is to exchange experiences.
I like to spend some time converting styles just for fun, especially soundtrack and instrumental music styles.
Thank you.

[siebenhirter]

Hello,
As I already suspected, Intro 1 and Ending 1 seems to come with prerecorded chord sequences and melody, which are stored in chord sequences.
In a Pa5x-Style, only the Intro and Ending Style Elements can contain a chord progression. Usually, only Intro 1 and Ending 1 are reserved to chord progressions. The Chord events are saved as MIDI Text Meta Events. A Chords track can be accessed in the Event Edit page of the Style Edit mode, when an Intro or an Ending is selected.

If you want to have the same effect with the user styles (lower off during intro1), record and edit a style, select one of the Style Elements containing a Chords track (Intro 1-3 or Ending 1-3) and use insert button to add new chord --> see manual Pa5X_User_Manual_v131_En9 (page 870 ff).

It are chord-sequences that cause temporary Lower Off - same happens with Intros/Ending with Pa1000, if using an intro with active chord-sequence. That although the data structure of Pa1000 styles is different than on the Pa5x.

I think you simple could turn off the Lower Part with chord-sequences in Intros of your custom styles as I did with Pa1000.

Attention with Pa5x: Why Intros/Endings do not Respect the Chord Sequence? --> http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB3/ ... p?t=130547
(postings of Carsten & Sharmman ! .. playing an external sequence file , when using a factory Style's INTRO or ENDING , you just play in parallel 2 sequencers data and you mess up the result of Style since INTRO & ENDING already contain another chord sequence in fixed mode.)

[epereirajle]

Hello siebenhirter,
Thank you very much!
That is it! You are right. It is related to the Chords track as you said:
"select one of the Style Elements containing a Chords track (Intro 1-3 or Ending 1-3) and use insert button to add new chord" This make the Lower Part button turn off when playing INtro/Ending.
I will make some tests regarding your warning about the other post to understand better how the Intro/Ending sequence will play if I add a chord in the Chords track.
The Chords track has a Key signature. If I just add the same chord from the key signature to this track, it might not mess up the sequence. I'll try tomorrow.
Best regards