Roland's and Yamaha's plans to surpass the Kronos?

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PinkFloydDudi wrote:Woah wait...so you are now claiming to have purchased the 150+ synths you claim to have since 2009? In 2 years you aquired 50 Korg Tritons?

Ugh Sina, please put down the shovel you are using to dig your grave deeper.
Sometimes I believe he has all those synths, but most of the time I find it unfathomable. I'm biased in the opposite way--I prefer to do everything with as few boards as possible. But he seems to know about synths and people here seem to think his music is pretty good (he once posted a link to his stuff on reverbnation).

Ultimately, he loves Korg (maybe a bit too much though) so what can you do? I just hope he tones his rhetoric down a little--which borders on the offensive and trollish at times.
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Dude, you're trippin'
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I think that Roland is F-ed, and Yamaha, just needs to release YET ANOTHER Motif, to troll their obsessive compulsive fans.

I personally think that both are not in their glory days, korg isnt either, but korg is still rollin. They know how to make an affordable quality product. Roland knows only how to make semi-decent workstations that often arn't that great compared to others. And Yamaha, is just a mystery to me, as i find the motif a little boring, although whenever I play it i get chills from the immense power it seems to have. Unfortunately however, i find that yamaha is not very innovative as every motif is extremely similar. and that seems to be all they make nowadays. I would hope for a DX-2000 or something. I havn't seen a REAL synth from them in ages. What was their last REAL synth btw?
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Morshu wrote:I think that Roland is F-ed,
Whats up with RolandClan forums? Its been down for me for days! No "news" on the main page either???
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> What was their last REAL synth btw

EX5 or actually the era of the CS6X+Plug in boards were fun but slow.
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Morshu wrote:i find the motif a little boring, although whenever I play it i get chills
I don't understand how that can be?

If something gives me chills, I wouldn't usually call that boring!

(although I do agree, I find the Motif boring too)
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RonF wrote:
Morshu wrote:I think that Roland is F-ed,
Whats up with RolandClan forums? Its been down for me for days! No "news" on the main page either???
There's a topic about it in the Off-topic thread.
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michelkeijzers wrote: There's a topic about it in the Off-topic thread.
Thank you Sir!
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Sina172 wrote: .....

Since that day, things started to pick up for me again, and after taking responsibility for what happened to me and not judging anyone, or blaming anyone on anything anymore, things started turning around in ways I wasn't even able to comprehend....

Financial miracles were taking place in ways that would seem too good to be true to most people and things only grew from there.

Within 18 months, I managed to get EVERYTHING back that I was forced to sell, get a new place that's big enough to be a palace and more.....

The studio in progress looks like something you'd only see in movies....The rooms are as big as most peoples homes in and of themselves and there's DOZENS of them. The consoles that are coming in are 256-Channel Euphonix System 5's and System 5 MC's. SSL XL-9000K's at 128 Channels, down to 32 Channels for smaller room.

Neve, API, Raindirk, Amek, Focusrite Studio and Forte Consoles.

And the things most people only ever dream about are a reality to me today.

And right now I REFUSE to take pics and post them here, because of whats happened to me and the hell I went through.

It's gonna be a while before you guys even see ONE picture, because I KNOW what the reaction is gonna be and I'm just not ready for that, yet...

So can we please let it go for now?

Sina
so what do you actually do for a living then? Going on just the stuff you put in what i quoted here, you're looking at several million dollars worth of stuff, and a building with rooms "that are bigger than most peoples houses," probably even more if you consider your location of southern California. You don't seem to do any promotion, and the link to your myspace page has 1 song that was posted almost 4 years ago, before you started amassing this gear fortune.
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RonF wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote: There's a topic about it in the Off-topic thread.
Thank you Sir!
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A waste of forum space, folks trippin on Sina172. Like the OP requested, let's stay on topic!

Personally, I'm waiting for Yamaha and Roland to make something incredibly user friendly. OK, maybe Roland.

The keyboard market is not that large, and the main innovations for workstations have come from Japan. They're well know for making gadgets of every which sort.

But you get someone like Apple or Clavia, and suddenly what was accessible mainly to technically oriented folks can be grokked by a larger mainstream audience. I LOVE my Nord Stage, both for its sounds and ergonomics, and its a welcome relief sometimes to just play and not fuss with technology.

There IS obviously a market for such advanced instruments like the Kronos, but now that lcd screens, faster processors, flash memory, etc. is widely and cheaply available, there will come a time when an Apple like product blazes across the scene, bringing more of the hip to keyboards, similar to the popularity of guitars.

What I've wanted for sometime now is a party keyboard:
> Killer boom box speakers built-in (like 3x's more powerful than the best onboard keyboard speakers out there)
> A small mixer on the top panel: a coupla mic inputs, guitar input, knob accessible reverb
> Drum pads setup FOR A SECOND PLAYER (one guy on keys, one guy on the drum pads)
> Full drum machine capability: not like the M3 or Kronos, which has an accessible but one unchanging pattern at a time- this would presumably be located with the drum pads, and would be optimized for fun and intuitive beat creation and stringing patterns
> Similar setup for fx so that another player could manipulate fx in real time
> In addition to its internally mounted power supply, there'd be an input for 12 volts, so that with a car battery you could play anywhere
> In an ideal world, it'd be a folding keyboard, under 40 pounds and under $2,000!


But beyond that fantasy... Roland and Korg are obviously showing the way. Korg has managed a dedicated Muse Receptor type of sound generation, relying on software driven sound engines, to which they can add endlessly to, as well as streaming sample delivery- both of those technologies/approaches are going to be part of the next generations; and of course Roland is showing how far you can go with modeling technology, which will also be the basis for much to come.

But regardless of the technology used, the next REALLY BIG thing will be when some of this exciting stuff is honed into a user experience that doesn't require such a huge investment of time and expertise.
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