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good luck for you.. seems that i have to wait for another extra 3-4 months or so, since the korg tech holland is on vacation

Best wishes to you, huibn, this seems unacceptable and obviously violates the EU costumer protection laws...

I took my Kronos 88 to the service center and the tech was able to hit the keys hard enough to reach 127 so Korg says there is nothing to fix.

So, I would suggest that anyone who takes their Kronos in to the service center because of the velocity issue to use caution. Unless there is something to fix it will not be covered by the warranty.

I've heard rumor that Korg is going to issue a hammer to each new Kronos buyer so they can verify the ability to reach 127, but once again, this is just a rumor!

I'll just have to record my sequences and if I need a little extra I'll have to edit the velocity of each note.

Ten2One

huibn wrote:good luck for you.. seems that i have to wait for another extra 3-4 months or so, since the korg tech holland is on vacation

Wow, that seems to be a good company to work for, i have 24 days vacation max for a whole year!

I hope things works out quickly for you, 4 months wait time for a calibration of your keyboard is unacceptable in my opinion.

qrobinez wrote:

huibn wrote:good luck for you.. seems that i have to wait for another extra 3-4 months or so, since the korg tech holland is on vacation

Wow, that seems to be a good company to work for, i have 24 days vacation max for a whole year!

I hope things works out quickly for you, 4 months wait time for a calibration of your keyboard is unacceptable in my opinion.

My friend, i had to wait 9 month for my broken keybed to be replaced.. so i'm just guessing i will have to wait another few months or so for the velocvity problem to be resolved..

Ten2One wrote:I took my Kronos 88 to the service center and the tech was able to hit the keys hard enough to reach 127 so Korg says there is nothing to fix.

So, I would suggest that anyone who takes their Kronos in to the service center because of the velocity issue to use caution. Unless there is something to fix it will not be covered by the warranty.

I've heard rumor that Korg is going to issue a hammer to each new Kronos buyer so they can verify the ability to reach 127, but once again, this is just a rumor!

I'll just have to record my sequences and if I need a little extra I'll have to edit the velocity of each note.

Ten2One

This is just krazy?!? you really mean that? But Dan explained that the kronos service center could recalibrate your kronos, so why didnt they, if its obviously a problem?!

In curve 9 i can also reach 127, but really have to slam my keybed in half.. so it's OBVIOUSLY a defect!!

huibn,

I love all the electric piano sounds in the Kronos but if you set the curve to 6 there are EP samples that can be triggered that you cannot get with velocity curve 4 or 9. These are the sounds I would like to be able to reach at certain times when you need just a little extra but the curve selections we have at this time won't permit that or perhaps the keybed is at fault.

It seems concern about this issue has done just what korg wanted it to do, i.e. fade away without them having to resolve it.

My k88 still sounds better than anything available at this time, it's just a shame that it can't produce all it's potential sound.

Ten2One

Ok, here are my results. I didnt actually notice until the other day. In my quest to find the perfect CP70/80 emulation for the Kronos, or any other device for that matter, and stopping short of actually buying an actual CP 70/80, I finally broke down and popped for the Karo EXs60 module "Electric Grand".

After installing it on the Kronos 61 of course I immediately started messing with it. Absolutely outstanding sounding. A bargain for 99 bucks, and doesn't weigh 300 lbs.

Now for the beef. I also have a Nord Piano 88 midied into the Kronos 61 so I can enjoy the fully weighted action. OMG, the difference is stunning due to the ability of the Nord keybed to reach 127 on the velocity meter. I have been playing the other Kronos acoustic pianos with the Nord keybed and had not really noticed the K velocity issue, as i rarely played the acoustics with the Kronos 61 as I don't like the synth action for acoustic pianos.

Now after doing the comparison it looks like the "Austrian Grand" may well be on the horizon. The difference between the K61 that is velocity challenged and a fully weighted keybed that is not = subtlety and nuance. Of course YMMV.

Starting to hate my kronos. Spent more than 3k, after more than a year, still not able to use it. Cannot reach anybody from korg, store wont take it back, korg distributor doesnt cooperate. I am f***ed. Big time. Sorry i am done with being polite and s**t. Hate korg. Last time i ever buy s**t from this company. Pls read all my posts and see how korg want this to be silence and fade away.

Hi guys,
I know this is an old post. I am just reading it again to find a solution.

I haven't touched my kronos for about 10 months as I've been just doing most gigs on bass and practising piano on my Roland fp7

Then last night I thought ok let me take the kronos out of the naught corner.
I don't know why...but it just doesn't feel right ...the action really sucks...My kronos is 61

I tried fiddling with all possibilities on global as well adjusting the velocity on the piano patch.

But it just doesn't cut it. Seems to me that leaving the global on 9 you can get the lower dynamics happening but getting to 118-127 will definitely need a hammer. The factory 4 (global) sucks.

I tried searching on the net and started watching some videos and came to a conclusion that a lot of the people that have kronos when using the piano is either classical oriented or just new age with lots of use of sustain or chill out chords. (kronos 61)

To me the action does not let play fast runs with short notes (staccato), almost like any note you play is legato . Anyway I'm not a classical nerd.
But strangely enough I just watched a demo of the krome 61 all the dynamics and staccato were there (piano german) . Go figure
.....

But here is the question would be possible to replace the keybed for another normal keybed (roland, Yamaha) ??? (please don't answer refereeing to the warranty please)

And to even further my frustration I plugged my Roland fp7 in midi with the And boy....it was like a BAM !!
all the dynamics were there it brought my funky inspirations back and I spent over 2 hours jaming on it .
But for crying out loud ............I don't want use kronos with a controller nor carry two keyboards to a gig.... that sucks

Im planning to film this particular frustration of mine, maybe you guys can give me a hand on solving this before I sell this great keyboard with stupid keybed

I don't think you can just swap them. You already found the easy solution, which is adding a controller.
I actually really, really like the 61 keybed and I believe it's gotten mostly glowing reviews. It's the same as the M3 and certainly anybody I spoke to waxed lyrical about at one. I have to hit it quite hard to get 127 but that's really the way it should be, it's the actual maximum value that you would ever sensibly use. After that there are no dynamics left at all. I prefer a keybed that hovers around 120 when I'm playing loud over one that maxes out every other keystroke (like my Roland RD-170).
The keyboard issues you refer to I believe mainly deal with the 73 and 88 weighted keybeds.

That said, you can adapt nearly any sound to respond the way you want to. The pianos even have a "velocity bias" and "velocity intensity" setting for this purpose. It's also possible (if somewhat unlikely) that ere's something actually wrong with your Kronos. If possible, try to compare with someone else's 61, or in a shop or something.

SanderXpander wrote:It's the same as the M3 and certainly anybody I spoke to waxed lyrical about at one.

My M3 61 had the exact same problem with velocities.

Of course, the real problem is that there are still no proper settings to adjust velocity translation tables to your needs on global level.

I have to hit it quite hard to get 127 but that's really the way it should be

Personally, I simply can't reach 127 on curve 4. (I have 61-key Kronos now.)

Also, it's not about what is possible to reach. It's about being able to control velocity in a reasonable manner during real performance. Even if I could karate-chop the keybed to get 127 doesn't mean the overall dynamics of the keyboard is fine. I should be able to get 127 on all fingers in a chord. And yes, that should require good amount of force, but not to the point of nearly damaging the keys or hurting my fingers.

With curve 5 I can easily reach 127, but controlling the lover range becomes extremely hard. Part of the reason why is that 61 keybed offers fairly low resistance to pressing a key. Which is fine, but that needs to be accommodated during translation.

To put it simply, choosing a curve mostly moves it up and down the pre-defined value range. What we need it the ability to stretch it. If I could stretch curve 4 to reach 127 for resonably hard keystrokes, it would be perfect. Sadly, there is no way to do that right npw.

(Side note: I don't understand why there are 9 curves, when only 3 or 4 of them are really usable. If adding proper UI for user-driven calibration is too difficult, Korg could at least update some of the curves to deal with these problems.)

vstkeys wrote:Hi guys,
I know this is an old post. I am just reading it again to find a solution.

I haven't touched my kronos for about 10 months as I've been just doing most gigs on bass and practising piano on my Roland fp7

Then last night I thought ok let me take the kronos out of the naught corner.
I don't know why...but it just doesn't feel right ...the action really sucks...My kronos is 61

I tried fiddling with all possibilities on global as well adjusting the velocity on the piano patch.

But it just doesn't cut it. Seems to me that leaving the global on 9 you can get the lower dynamics happening but getting to 118-127 will definitely need a hammer. The factory 4 (global) sucks.

I tried searching on the net and started watching some videos and came to a conclusion that a lot of the people that have kronos when using the piano is either classical oriented or just new age with lots of use of sustain or chill out chords. (kronos 61)

To me the action does not let play fast runs with short notes (staccato), almost like any note you play is legato . Anyway I'm not a classical nerd.
But strangely enough I just watched a demo of the krome 61 all the dynamics and staccato were there (piano german) . Go figure
.....

And to even further my frustration I plugged my Roland fp7 in midi with the And boy....it was like a BAM !!
all the dynamics were there it brought my funky inspirations back and I spent over 2 hours jaming on it .
But for crying out loud ............I don't want use kronos with a controller nor carry two keyboards to a gig.... that sucks

Im planning to film this particular frustration of mine, maybe you guys can give me a hand on solving this before I sell this great keyboard with stupid keybed

Exactly what I expericened with two different Kronos 73. Sad to hear it also can happen with a 61, I still would like to buy a used 61 one because of all those good synth sounds like QRs out there. But the Kronos is definitly no workstation or replacement for a good piano like the Viscount Physis H1. But as an addition to it it would be perfect.
I still wonder how professionals like Peter Gabriel and Jordan Rudess could not notice this problem. It´s so obvious to anyone who had some form of classic piano education. My daughter told me so in the beginning while I was still in denial.

Gambler wrote:

SanderXpander wrote:It's the same as the M3 and certainly anybody I spoke to waxed lyrical about at one.

My M3 61 had the exact same problem with velocities.

Of course, the real problem is that there are still no proper settings to adjust velocity translation tables to your needs on global level.

I have to hit it quite hard to get 127 but that's really the way it should be

Personally, I simply can't reach 127 on curve 4. (I have 61-key Kronos now.)

Also, it's not about what is possible to reach. It's about being able to control velocity in a reasonable manner during real performance. Even if I could karate-chop the keybed to get 127 doesn't mean the overall dynamics of the keyboard is fine. I should be able to get 127 on all fingers in a chord. And yes, that should require good amount of force, but not to the point of nearly damaging the keys or hurting my fingers.

With curve 5 I can easily reach 127, but controlling the lover range becomes extremely hard. Part of the reason why is that 61 keybed offers fairly low resistance to pressing a key. Which is fine, but that needs to be accommodated during translation.

To put it simply, choosing a curve mostly moves it up and down the pre-defined value range. What we need it the ability to stretch it. If I could stretch curve 4 to reach 127 for resonably hard keystrokes, it would be perfect. Sadly, there is no way to do that right npw.

(Side note: I don't understand why there are 9 curves, when only 3 or 4 of them are really usable. If adding proper UI for user-driven calibration is too difficult, Korg could at least update some of the curves to deal with these problems.)

That´s the big question! Why does no one of the active guys here acknowledge the problem? It´s obvious to anybody who played a Kronos.
And Korg puts it under the rug. They are happy to sell tons of MS-20 mini and Volcas to the retro fans. I wonder if they will build real synthesizers and Instruments again. You are not even supposed to open your Kronos. That is an easy task with an M3. I am happy to have the M3 61 with Radias and no more problems with RH3.

Fairly recent Kronos owner here... Some of the sentiments of this thread rang true to my experience... I.e. struggling to obtain the sounds you'd expect from hitting the upper end of the velocity curve... I just experimented with the Velocity curves and found setting #6 to allow me to reach 127 with reasonable force and obtain the desired effect (I'd max out at 120 on setting 4 or 9)... I'm going to experiment with number 6 for a few days and see if it affects my lower dynamic range of playing...