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euklid.fox
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Post by euklid.fox »

Ryan Johnson wrote:the routing issue will not be fixed, they say that the workaround is the 'correct' way to monitor using 8 channels, sorry 7 channels.

Ok this can be a workaround to get the cue im ok eventually with that...;
even if it's a stupid conception pb according to me (see the evo, they tought about it, and firewire could handlle 10 audio tracks 8+cue+master, as there are soundcard that offers more than 10 in out)

but what about processing the MASTER section, there is NO workaround!!!

with the two only workaround I found I either lost the crossfader, or had a cheap numerical low volume clicking sound of the headphone output, wich is not made to handle master ouptut.

So mR Korg, what is the workaround to process VST on the master section,
and drive this to the physicall outputs of the zero 8? jery? dan? mike? ghost?

I agree with djgrobe, this is nearly the perfect mixer....
add this and add gain to the headphone output and Im sure ll keep it and stay on it till firewire dies.. But limiting and mastering / processing the master of our live performances
is really a basic feature absolutely needed according to me....
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Post by mikemolloyuk »

Hi Ryan

There is no Molly here...!! the surname is Molloy......

Mike
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Post by Dj-Grobe »

Ryan i never use 100% like midi controller due i not have time to resetup all due lot of gigs, but 2 weeks ago i do, and lol you have reason !

This is really big problem !
zero 8 under midi is just zero 7 and need use and loose one channel for CUE.

I just use 5 channels of ableton, one of that channels is fore cue and some times like synth send sound for my talkbox, other chan is for MIC, 2 for turntables.

For me is ok, but for any guy really need use like 8 chan midi with ableton and want cue...........NO WAY !!
NO CUE ! or need turn in KORG ZERO7

Thinking on this toruble i think not have fix, due for make CUE on that situation the only way is if CUE work like aditional sound card channel 17/18

Its really big mistake when developers create this MIXER...........for me is ok, but for guys like you !! no way !!


I sugest this feature fix/patch:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 224#237224

For master..........no way.....
Developers not are Ableton users..........that is clear if analize the features in zero 8, and i respect that, zero8 not is mixer with ableton on the head of developers, is general proposemixer/audiocard/midi controller........but lol some things really are usefull in lot of scenarios !!


The master issue no have solution.
But the cue and other troubles for make more flexible ZERO 8 can be !!
SO KORG PLEASE !! JUST DO IT !

Thank you !
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Post by Dj-Grobe »

More about MASTER:

Internally the zero 8 not have master like sperate audio sound card channel (i think that)

Master is just analog mixer board and just recive the outputs of the 8 channels, and mix that...............i think is absolutly imposible to fix MASTER trouble for Ableton users, without hardware change inside the unit.
I think everybody should live with that............

euklid.fox i think i have workaround of Master trouble, but loosing the channel 8, please expalin in very detailed way your setup and if you can loose channel 8 and i test and expalin about my idea.

:idea:
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Post by euklid.fox »

thanks dj grobe,

first I agree with you, an ultimate solution would let us in the software choose for each nob/switch, if it acts as audio or midi, so each users config could be kept as a preset....


my setup/what i want to do is the following:
Igot a macbookpro laptop running XP sp2, and i use ableton.

I play Live with ableton, I make 8 audio tracks, I route each track to the
Zero (kick, bass, sd ect). ok each track The zero is set in audio/midi mode,
so I can play, cut my tracks with no lantency (as it's audio), but I can still tweak ableton with midi controls (break, filterz ect).

Now what I d'like is to apply VSt on the master, for example a limiter and a mastering section (ie to prevent if im drunk to not send to much bass ) :) that would create cliping (Limiting is a musthave for live sessions acc to me) tweak a little bit those shity eq and the signal will jump of more than Ndb!!!!


Here are the two workaround I found:

1°)
_I send 7 tracks from live to the korg, in the zero I/O menu I choose to send the "master" to out 15-16(8th). So in live I can get the total mix in a new track. here i put my VSTs, and then I re-send this to the korg 15-16
Now the trick is to Cue that channel and then if I put a headphone and set the cue totally to cue, that works...I got the master processed by VSTs.

...the pb with that technik is that my master output is now routed to headphones, wich is not made to handlle master signal(power/impedance). the sound is more crappy, there r some little clicks, and last but not least, I can't cue anymore as its' taken for the master!!!

2°)
_I send 7 tracks from live to the korg, in the zero I/O menu I choose to send the "busA" to out 15-16(8th).Then on the zero I set all my 7 first tracks to "A" So in live I can get the total mix in a new track where i put my VSTs. Now I re-send that new live track to the zero "15-16 (8th) wich I set to bus B on the zero. Setting the cross fader to B will output the Vst processed master to the master outputs.

... so with this tek I got the master on the good output, but I can no more use the crossfader (A is dry - B is processed)...with is very boring.


So actually I didn't found a cool workaround, I would realy enjoy see yours or any user/ korg admin solution...

note that acc to me, the best solution would be to add Cue/master in the two I/O that are not used, so I could directly route the vst processed track
to the master of the zero. Korg is there an insert point to the master??
It's very sad, I like it very much, but I may sell it and go for the EVO, they thought about it, as you said Im not sure korg re reals DJ/ ableton userz or even spoke with some, that's such a shame routing issue for a unit this price range!!!!!

it's like creting a new flying car that would stay on the road;;;
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Post by Dj-Grobe »

I think in workaround for this SITUATION you explain, but not right now i start long weekend and have 2 very important gigs friday and saturday.
But over the weekend i think if some way to fix.

Basically you want PROCESS MASTER OUT of ableton for use limiter compressor etc etc in the master, corect?
Please confirm.
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Post by euklid.fox »

yes basically this is what i want to do, but mixing in audio mode and see my levels at the same time to have quasi-no latency, I got too much latency in all midi mode.
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