Why is the Korg Oasys so expensive?

kenackr · Post by **kenackr** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:01 pm

It's certainly obvious to me that GiveItATry had his mind made up when the original post was made.

I believe that it's not worth the time or effort to continue discussion with someone who is troll like and here just to yank owners chains and probably couldn't come up with the cash to buy one even since they have come down in price significantly.

Remember that if you don't invite the orphan to the feast he may very well make up a good reason for it. The turkey is too tough and the gravy is too lumpy, etc.

GiveItATry · Post by **GiveItATry** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:53 am

kenackr wrote:It's certainly obvious to me that GiveItATry had his mind made up when the original post was made.

I believe that it's not worth the time or effort to continue discussion with someone who is troll like and here just to yank owners chains and probably couldn't come up with the cash to buy one even since they have come down in price significantly.

Remember that if you don't invite the orphan to the feast he may very well make up a good reason for it. The turkey is too tough and the gravy is too lumpy, etc.

I think that the only one who is trolling around here is you. Everybody was on topic but you.

I suppose you are an O owner and I can understand your anger having realised now that the Oasys is NOT the beast that they have been talking about. It is rediculous to call a workstation that has 16 midi track sequencer a BEAST. Dont you understand that? ROLAND Fantom G has 128 midi tracks and Resolution 480 TPQN . If the Oasys is a beast, then what is the Roland Fantom G?

I want to build my own home studio but I dont like computers that much. That is why I am trying to figure out what is the best workstation out there for MY needs. I compose ONLY instrumental songs (no audio, only midi) and I need a powerful workstation as far as its sequencer is concerned. I dont need only beautiful, fat and powerful sounds but a POWERFUL sequencer as well. And of course I can NOT call powerful Korg's sequencer that has ONLY 16 midi tracks.

I hope you can understand the above mentioned and stop trolling.

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:27 am

GiveItATry wrote:It is rediculous to call a workstation that has 16 midi track sequencer a BEAST. Dont you understand that? ROLAND Fantom G has 128 midi tracks.

Then neither workstation is a beast. You do know that the Fantom G is only 16 part multi-timbrel, right? 128 tracks doesn't mean 128 sounds. It still has only 16 MIDI channels, just like the OASYS.

I love the sequencer improvements on the Fantom G. But, the disparity is not as much as you imply.

Roland, Korg and Yamaha's workstations have been 16 part for many years. The Roland XV-5080 had two MIDI inputs, so that module could do 32 parts (16 + 16).

MIDIguru · Post by **MIDIguru** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:43 am

I want to build my own home studio but I dont like computers that much. That is why I am trying to figure out what is the best workstation out there for MY needs. I compose ONLY instrumental songs (no audio, only midi) and I need a powerful workstation as far as its sequencer is concerned. I dont need only beautiful, fat and powerful sounds but a POWERFUL sequencer as well. And of course I can NOT call powerful Korg's sequencer that has ONLY 16 midi tracks.

The Oasys sequencer is certainly not the most advanced one out there. If the sequencer is more important than the sounds then you might want to consider a Roland (Fantom-G or MV-8800). There is also the Yamaha QY700 which looks like just about the best hardware sequencer there ever was. Bits and pieces of its technology ended up in the Motif range and the RS and RMX range. Sadly the current Motif drops the cool groove quantize grid from the Motif ES and earlier.

One thing that comes into play is your playing skills. If you find you are always quantizing and correcting mistakes, then a PC and mouse will be essential for efficiency. If you tend to write notes or controller curves in graphically rather than play or tweak, this is also the case. Karma goes a long way towards being able to "paint" streams of complex note sequences without needing a mouse or graphic editor, but you have to get to know the thousands of GEs and what they can do. Being able to build tracks with Karma is much faster than clicking in thousands of notes by hand.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to do with all of these tracks and I don't want to minimize anyone's need for more than 16. If you find you're putting bits and pieces onto each track I would suggest splitting a program and making a single MIDI part do 3 or 4 things. If you need the extra tracks for percussion then I would suggest something more along the lines of an MV or MPC. Roland has been very clever in making sure the Fantom-G cannot do certain MV things and vice-versa. Where the MV and MPC fall a little flat is that you need to build a library. I am in the process of loading all of my favorite percussion samples into my MV.

I hope you find what you need and what will make you happy. I speak from experience and much G.A.S. that it is not an easy process.

EJ2 · Post by **EJ2** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:29 pm

GiveItATry wrote:
kenackr wrote:It's certainly obvious to me that GiveItATry had his mind made up when the original post was made.

I believe that it's not worth the time or effort to continue discussion with someone who is troll like and here just to yank owners chains and probably couldn't come up with the cash to buy one even since they have come down in price significantly.

Remember that if you don't invite the orphan to the feast he may very well make up a good reason for it. The turkey is too tough and the gravy is too lumpy, etc.

I think that the only one who is trolling around here is you. Everybody was on topic but you.

I suppose you are an O owner and I can understand your anger having realised now that the Oasys is NOT the beast that they have been talking about. It is rediculous to call a workstation that has 16 midi track sequencer a BEAST. Dont you understand that? ROLAND Fantom G has 128 midi tracks and Resolution 480 TPQN . If the Oasys is a beast, then what is the Roland Fantom G?

I want to build my own home studio but I dont like computers that much. That is why I am trying to figure out what is the best workstation out there for MY needs. I compose ONLY instrumental songs (no audio, only midi) and I need a powerful workstation as far as its sequencer is concerned. I dont need only beautiful, fat and powerful sounds but a POWERFUL sequencer as well. And of course I can NOT call powerful Korg's sequencer that has ONLY 16 midi tracks.

I hope you can understand the above mentioned and stop trolling.

Are you looking for us to convince you to buy an OASYS or are you here to just bitch and complain. You've been given enough answers to your questions and Mike has explained that the OASYS sequencer is not the dud you think it is. BUT you continue to repeat the same BS. So, move on and purchase something else if you don't like the OASYS. Or go to Harmony Central and whine there. You'll have good company.

curvebender · Post by **curvebender** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:50 pm

Or go to Harmony Central and whine there. You'll have good company.

t_tangent · Post by **t_tangent** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:56 pm

Just wanted to step in here to suggest Giveitatry refers to the following to see someone else's opinion.

http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthre ... adid=12562

And there are many other threads with the same conclusion

As far a powerful sequencing, if that's all you want then invest in a decent pc or mac and get one of the high end sequencers such as protools, logic, cubase, sonar, etc Or check out one of the newer sequencers out there such as Reaper.

Other than that, make a decision. Go to your local store and try out the workstations you are interested in and buy the one you want. And then we'll see you on here sometime soon as a new OASYS owner

t_tangent · Post by **t_tangent** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:43 pm

Oh look....... here too

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=36811

Giveitatry.....live upo to your name and...well....Give It A Try

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:18 pm

... that was a nice link ...

@giveitatry: if you're looking for an all in one solution I definetly recommend the Oasys. You can do everything you need - and the song-slot system combined with bouncing in fact offers unlimited midi-tracks and the ability to change everything in each step as you wish. Have you ever listened to a real Oasys playing it by yourself? Or do you just know Demo-songs from the internet? As mentioned above: give it a try and decide afterwards.

GiveItATry · Post by **GiveItATry** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:44 am

I followed the above links, but what I noticed is that the users acclaim the synth part and NOT ONE of the users acclaim the O sequencer. I guess the Oasys is not the best all-in-one solution out there. O is not the best workstation but just a very good synthesizer(s), nothing more.

After a lot of thought, I am not gonna buy an Oasys for 2 reasons.

1. Because of its price. Here in Europe an Oasys 88 costs 7,599 Euros, which means 11,318 US Dollars and an Oasys 76 costs 6,899 Euros, which means 10,276 US Dollars. Those prices come from the best, most-trusted and with low prices store across all Europe. It is the Thomann music store and is located in Germany.

http://www.thomann.de/gr/korg_oasys_88.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gr/korg_oasys_76.htm

2. The Oasys is a 2005 machine. It is old enough. After almost 4 years (January 2005-August 2008), I think that Korg is gonna release a new Oasys (I dont know if they keep the same name eg Oasys II or give it another name) far more powerful than the 2005 Oasys.

By the way I have heard all the O sounds in a store and I really was impressed. The problem is the sequencer. I cant work on it fluently. It prohibits my creativity and makes things much more complicating because it gives me only 16 midi tracks and if I want more I have to follow an extremely difficult and time consuming procedure. And this is very bad.

I am not gonna buy the Fantom G either, because I love the Korg products a lot, they are so user-friendly (except for the number of the midi tracks that the sequencer has

) and this is very good. I think the best is to wait a few more months -maybe a little more- to see what the future brings.

lcmorley · Post by **lcmorley** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:58 am

Sorry about the following, but I am really getting annoyed with GiveItATry!

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses!

Seems like music making is not really for you then at all.

If you are willing to put all of these barriers in the way of your "creativity", then you cannot enjoy it at all.

It seems that all of the best music instrument companies in the world cannot help you create music. God knows how many music professionals cope with all of this "rubbish" technology. I suppose everybody had better down their tools and give up now. Let's all wait for the newer technology to come out.

Oh, but wait, when the newer technology comes out, there might be something newer again on the market within a year or so after that may be better, so it would probably be better to wait for that.

You could go on and on waiting for new technology, and never actually commit to buying anything at all. What will you do if the new "Oasys II" comes out, and it only has 16 midi tracks. You really will be buggered then, and will have to wait another 5 years for a further replacement from Korg.

I really look forward to hearing all of your masterpieces when they eventually make their way into the world. I really hope that when your 32 track midi sequencer comes out in a keyboard form that you will not find even more reasons not to buy something.

t_tangent · Post by **t_tangent** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:13 am

Giveitatry

Fair enough. We are all entitled to our own choices and decisions. But if I can comment on your reasons quickly, then that might help.

Firstly it is possible to get hold of an O for a lot less than you stated if one doesnt mind buying second hand and is patient & keeps an eye on the music sales forums. I have seen a few O 88 go for less than Euro 4,500 second hand, and with all the EX updates. But you also have to be careful to make sure the ads are not scams, as there are quite a few of those going on particularly for high end instruments such as the O. But the genuine sellers are usually selling for 2 reasons. Either, The O is TOO powerful for them and therefore too complex or time consuming to learn, or they have been hit by the credit crunch and need to liquidate assets.

Secondly, yes the O is not the newest workstation on the market, but its certainly not a has been. And your suggestion that Korg is coming out with an O II is purely speculative.

But yes, it IS your choice, and I'm sure you'll find what you want eventually, but in the meantime if you are looking for something a bit cheaper I believe the following might be more suitable

http://aqi.co.jp/product/ds10/en/index.html

j k

Good luck in your decisions

GiveItATry · Post by **GiveItATry** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:19 am

lcmorley wrote:Sorry about the following, but I am really getting annoyed with GiveItATry!

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses!

Seems like music making is not really for you then at all.

You are one of those who believe that the 3-4 synths that are part of the O are worth 11,000 US Dollars. I am not one of them. I want MORE features and a brand NEW sequencer which has at least 32 midi tracks/32 IFXs (1 IFX for every track, being able to use them all simultaneously) and resolution 480 TPQN in order to give that amount of money.

lcmorley wrote: It seems that all of the best music instrument companies in the world cannot help you create music. God knows how many music professionals cope with all of this "rubbish" technology. I suppose everybody had better down their tools and give up now. Let's all wait for the newer technology to come out.

I didnt say that. You said that. What I said is that the O is an old machine now and since the new Korg workstation is on its way (I dont work at Korg, but I think anytime a new Korg workstation will make its appearence), it would be better and wiser to wait a little longer.

lcmorley wrote: What will you do if the new "Oasys II" comes out, and it only has 16 midi tracks.

I will NOT buy it. I will become a Roland customer or something.
Roland Fantom G whose Sequencer has 128 tracks and Resolution 480 TPQN costs only 2,899 Euros, that is 4,318 US Dollar. I will not pay Korg 7,599 Euros, that is 11,318 US Dollar, for a 16 midi track sequencer in the future, no matter how good the Korg synths might sound!!! I hope you can understand that.

t_tangent wrote:
Firstly it is possible to get hold of an O for a lot less than you stated if one doesnt mind buying second hand and is patient & keeps an eye on the music sales forums.

j k

Thank you very much my friend, but I never buy second hand products. I buy only brand new products and I always pay cash.

t_tangent wrote:
but in the meantime if you are looking for something a bit cheaper I believe the following might be more suitable

http://aqi.co.jp/product/ds10/en/index.html

j k

Nice joke! You made my day!
Have a nice day my friend!

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:38 pm

Maybe, you should look at some of these:

Open Labs miKo
Akai MPC 2500 or 5000
Lionstracs Mediastation

franzlp · Post by **franzlp** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:45 pm

Boy Mike recommending the OPen Labs Miko is a real kiss of death considering in runs on Windows basically. Whew. I think the gentelman has a right to state what he says but I think honestly he is wrong because for what he is demanding I don't think there is enough of a market for it. Korg or any other synth compnay really could not make the money back to justify a sequencer of that category along with the wonderful engines the Oasys has. His argument to wait for an Oasys 2 is really not logical. The Oasys may have been created and released back in 2005 but if you own one like we do you end up seeing that the vision of the Oasys is a long term investment in the technology. It's the whole pupose that is can be more easily upgraded than any other workstation out there. You could literally spend years learning all of its possibilitites. Although this guy is demanding he is looking at the Oasys 2 dimensionally when the instrument must be looked at multidimensionally. We may be right he may be best suited to a computer based solution and not the Oasys. Regarless I think the O is the best workstation and keyboard yet made. I would keep waiting for a new product to come out. BY the way only can wait until 2012 when the Mayan calendar ends so he should really decide now.