Kaossilator Pro - unwanted glitches

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:13 pm

JJP wrote:
Mr36 wrote:Or even just having to press the REC button before holding down or selecting your bank would fix it, wouldn't it? As in if you don't press the REC button first, it will just play or mute the bank when you press it.
that would be lame

It would also break the quite interesting feature of being able to rhythmically gate the phrase recording by tapping the pad.

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:58 pm

Why would it be lame? As far as I can see it would cut out the "glitch" problem and would not stop the capability to stutter record, as arming it (pressing REC) would just put it into the mode it's naturally in now.

samartin · Post by **samartin** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:01 am

Mr36 wrote:Why would it be lame? As far as I can see it would cut out the "glitch" problem and would not stop the capability to stutter record, as arming it (pressing REC) would just put it into the mode it's naturally in now.

Yeah I reckon this would be a good thing, it doesn't take much to hit REC and then hold Bank A to record. At least then you can turn on/off banks whilst playing, think that would be a small price to pay!

Radian · Post by **Radian** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:15 am

RichF wrote:The structure of the KOPro makes this inevitable... It's not a "glitch," it's the way the KOPro works.

Nevertheless, I think you'll find it inevitable that sooner or later everybody ruins their recordings because of this. It wouldn't be anything like so bad if you could FIX your loops to undo any accidents but unlike the original Kaossilator, there's no equivalent facility. The topic Kaossilator Pro - no "Fix" feature refers.

RichF wrote:The immediacy of recording comes with this one rule- when you touch the pad and the Loop Recorder Bank buttons at the same time, you're recording.

Sure. Rules are rules. But how many original Kaossilator owners do you suppose worked by overdubbing a backing track comprising drums, bass and chords then played "live" over the top with an effect or lead? I would be truly astounded if anybody who spent more than 10 minutes with the thing didn't ever use it this way.

And I bet nearly everyone who did dreamed of the day they'd be able to switch backing patterns and bring in and out alternative phrases on the fly - just like we can on the KPRO. Unfortunately this has now become a bit of a minefield nightmare.

RichF wrote: It's important to note that there are benefits associated with this. First and foremost, you don't have to "prep" to record, or "arm" the banks. One button press, and you're in. Secondly, when you're touching the pad, you can tap the Loop Recorder Bank buttons to record a rhythmic, non-arpeggiated performance.

To outweigh costs, benefits have to have sufficient value. Values are subjective but one objective measure here will be the number of people who also find themselves getting caught out by this. I've been trying to learn to avoid this for a whole week now, but it continues to catch me out on a regular basis. The take-home message must still be that a consequence of this particular design choice is causing problems for people.

JJP · Post by **JJP** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:09 pm

why no beta testing....

Kaoss Elation · Post by **Kaoss Elation** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:28 pm

Radian wrote: Nevertheless, I think you'll find it inevitable that sooner or later everybody ruins their recordings because of this.

I already have

You have to be careful when soloing on the XY pad because if your wrist rests on one of the loop bank buttons, it starts recording unintentionally. I kept doing this, but I guess it's one of those things we will have to get used to. It would have made more sense with the "one touch" record feature to have the loop bank buttons above the XY pad but then Korg couldn't use the KP3 chassis. The obvious fix is to play it upside down.

samartin · Post by **samartin** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:16 pm

I think there's a bug! If you are holding a note, then go into levels, the held note stops, go back to XY control and it remembers where it left off!

Nasty!

Scott M2 · Post by **Scott M2** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:13 pm

samartin wrote:I think there's a bug! If you are holding a note, then go into levels, the held note stops, go back to XY control and it remembers where it left off!

Nasty!

It's probably just like the KP3 - where if you have samples running though KP3 effects (like a Ring Modulator)
then go to adjust the sample levels individually using the SHIFT/SAMPLE BANK approach,
the effect will disappear until you press SHIFT again to release it.
At least on the KP3 you can use the LEVEL slider to control the combined volume of the samples.

Radian · Post by **Radian** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:22 pm

Kaoss Elation wrote:It would have made more sense with the "one touch" record feature to have the loop bank buttons above the XY pad but then Korg couldn't use the KP3 chassis. The obvious fix is to play it upside down.

That would also make it an awful lot easier to get at the gate arp switch

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:33 pm

RichF wrote:It's not a "glitch," it's the way the KOPro works

It's important to note that there are benefits associated with this. First and foremost, you don't have to "prep" to record, or "arm" the banks. One button press, and you're in. Secondly, when you're touching the pad, you can tap the Loop Recorder Bank buttons to record a rhythmic, non-arpeggiated performance.

This is kind of like the Toyota people saying that stuck accelerators are beneficial because they keep you from having to press the gas pedal manually.

JJP · Post by **JJP** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:00 pm

supermel74 wrote:
RichF wrote:It's not a "glitch," it's the way the KOPro works

It's important to note that there are benefits associated with this. First and foremost, you don't have to "prep" to record, or "arm" the banks. One button press, and you're in. Secondly, when you're touching the pad, you can tap the Loop Recorder Bank buttons to record a rhythmic, non-arpeggiated performance.
This is kind of like the Toyota people saying that stuck accelerators are beneficial because they keep you from having to press the gas pedal manually.

it's okay to make errors. there IS no perfect product. but pleaze be real and say we have done wrong or at least could have done better. that's fairplay.

Kaoss Elation · Post by **Kaoss Elation** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:26 pm

Just an update - I realize some of the glitches were due to the way I was recording. I was tending to take both fingers off the loop record button and the XY pad at the same time, which was causing a click because there was not a natural sound decay. If I take my finger off the XY pad before stopping the loop record, I found that eliminated many of the glitches.

I am still getting a glitch which I turn loop banks buttons on and off. About 1 in 10 presses of the loop bank button caused a "click", more likely to happen when pressing two loop bank buttons at the same time.

Pirx · Post by **Pirx** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:26 pm

Is it possible to reproduce those glitches or clicks, record them and upload it somewhere? That way we all could consider if this turns out as an issue. I'm really interested to know whether it's audible in records and how disturbing it is. It would help to decide to buy this unit or not. Thanks.

m4m · Post by **m4m** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:16 pm

i brought it back to the store because of mainly this (and no resampling and midi start not understod)
when they get v2 out ill buy it again

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:23 pm

Pirx wrote:Is it possible to reproduce those glitches or clicks, record them and upload it somewhere? That way we all could consider if this turns out as an issue. I'm really interested to know whether it's audible in records and how disturbing it is. It would help to decide to buy this unit or not. Thanks.

i think the clicks he is talking about is done when he takes his finger off the record button exactly as he takes his finger from the x - y pad when a particular sound eg. a bass ... is at a certain point in its modulation or lfo process....

ive noticed this can happen

leaving your finger on the record button for a second or so will allow the sound finish its modulation or whatever and naturally decay... avoiding / eliminating any clicks