Well I could use the same default as the Kronos, but then I would need one for an EXi, one for sampled, also one for Oasys EXi, oasys sampled, Korg Triton Extreme, Korg, MOSS, Triton normal, also for Kronos version 1.0, Triton pre 2.00 ... so it's getting messy very fast.MartinHines wrote:I would probably make the initialized patch the same as the Kronos does it internally.michelkeijzers wrote: With clearing, only the name is cleared but the sound stays.
Would it be better to also remove the sound at all? I don't know if I can put a full initialized patch there (it differs per model). Besides, it's used mostly to overwrite by another patch later or to keep gaps (e.g. inside set lists or combis).
Since some people might be initializing a program to start from scratch to build a new one, just clearing the name (but leaving the rest of the data intact) might leave some weird settings a user is unaware of.
However, if people using the tool are aware Clear only clears the name, they could work with it.
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No, the amount of data storage is completely equal. With an initialized patch, all parameters are set to some default value. With a cleared patch, the name is empty but the sound remain unchanged.Lou wrote:Not my territory here, but if you are only clearing a name, in time aren't you leaving a build-up of excess data on the drive?
Actually I like an empty name better because I can see in an instance what are patches that are not filled and which are filled. I normally only tweak patches, so I copy it from another before changing. For those people who want to start from an init patch can do it via the menu (per patch).

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With the 1.5.0 upgrade there are 8 banks (4Exi and 4 H-1) that are initialised for programs plus the usual Combi Banks I-E to User-G are empty.
I would have thought that I could copy an initialised program from one of the unused banks to the original banks/slots (keeping the Exi and HD-1 banks seperate) if I wanted an initialised program in the factory banks.
Am I missing something? Or is the proceedure for those who want to initialise whole banks?
I would have thought that I could copy an initialised program from one of the unused banks to the original banks/slots (keeping the Exi and HD-1 banks seperate) if I wanted an initialised program in the factory banks.
Am I missing something? Or is the proceedure for those who want to initialise whole banks?
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Ah ... answered my own question by re-reading Martin's original post - under the section 'examples' 
And Martin's comment about 'default' initialised setting playing a piano sound ...
And thanks for the info Martin

And Martin's comment about 'default' initialised setting playing a piano sound ...
And thanks for the info Martin
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The default initialisation patches for the HD-1 is the Mn0000 piano sample with no effects (IFX or MFX) and 'default' amp & pitch envelopes. The Exi default is set up as a single AL-1 slot with 2 saw/pulse ocsillators and again no FX and with a default set of EG's.
So there shouldn't be any hidden suprises when working with these initialised programs.
So there shouldn't be any hidden suprises when working with these initialised programs.
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Oh ok now I think I got it!MartinHines wrote:The picture below might help, using Program Banks as an example. In the example, the Program banks with Factory preload data are in grey. The open banks are white.Dniss wrote:Thanks for a great explanation. Gonna take some time to digest it all, but I get the idea.
If you re-load the preload.pcg data file, only the greyed banks are impacted. Nothing is erased in the other banks. The INIT.pcg file helps clear out everything.
The factory reset doesn't really reset everything, but the init file does.
Thanks for your patience.
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The "Restore to factory settings" does restore the original factory data, it's just that data doesn't cover all banks.Dniss wrote: Oh ok now I think I got it!
The factory reset doesn't really reset everything, but the init file does.
Thanks for your patience.
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You're talking only about thopse open user banks right? Looks like the reset to factory restores all the sound banks except those open user banks, which by default s/b empty.MartinHines wrote:The "Restore to factory settings" does restore the original factory data, it's just that data doesn't cover all banks.Dniss wrote: Oh ok now I think I got it!
The factory reset doesn't really reset everything, but the init file does.
Thanks for your patience.
So your init file clears all those user banks.
The bank system management is a little hard to grasp at first.
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Bank system management description:
A Korg Kronos contains what I call internal memory for storing patches. This consists of:
- Program banks
- Combi banks
- Set lists
- Global
- Some more
Program banks consist of:
- Banks I-A..I-F, U-A..U-G, U-AA..U-GG. Each of these banks can contain either EXi or Sampled programs
- Bank GM (General midi), however there are variation banks: g(1)..g(9) and a drums bank g(d).
Combi banks:
- Banks I-A..I-G, U-A..U-G
Set lists:
- 128 set lists with each set list having 128 set list slots.
A patch is either a program, combi or set list slot. This term is not used generally within Korg.
There is only 1 global 'info'.
All (or a set of) program banks, all (or a set of) combi banks and set lists and global can be saved in a file called a PCG file. Part of a complete PCG file can be load in the Kronos.
A combi can reference 0 to 16 programs (called timbres), same for a song btw.
A set list slot can reference to either a program, combi or song.
Songs are stored in a SNG file.
Programs, combis, set lists and global are stored in a PCG file.
Samples are stored in a KCS/KCF (?) file.
Hope this helps.
A Korg Kronos contains what I call internal memory for storing patches. This consists of:
- Program banks
- Combi banks
- Set lists
- Global
- Some more
Program banks consist of:
- Banks I-A..I-F, U-A..U-G, U-AA..U-GG. Each of these banks can contain either EXi or Sampled programs
- Bank GM (General midi), however there are variation banks: g(1)..g(9) and a drums bank g(d).
Combi banks:
- Banks I-A..I-G, U-A..U-G
Set lists:
- 128 set lists with each set list having 128 set list slots.
A patch is either a program, combi or set list slot. This term is not used generally within Korg.
There is only 1 global 'info'.
All (or a set of) program banks, all (or a set of) combi banks and set lists and global can be saved in a file called a PCG file. Part of a complete PCG file can be load in the Kronos.
A combi can reference 0 to 16 programs (called timbres), same for a song btw.
A set list slot can reference to either a program, combi or song.
Songs are stored in a SNG file.
Programs, combis, set lists and global are stored in a PCG file.
Samples are stored in a KCS/KCF (?) file.
Hope this helps.

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I agree ... I also rather would have a real Init ... however, I would need to gather all possible INIT programs, combis, set list slots from all supported workstations including different versions (OS version).MartinHines wrote:I would probably make the initialized patch the same as the Kronos does it internally.michelkeijzers wrote: With clearing, only the name is cleared but the sound stays.
Would it be better to also remove the sound at all? I don't know if I can put a full initialized patch there (it differs per model). Besides, it's used mostly to overwrite by another patch later or to keep gaps (e.g. inside set lists or combis).
Since some people might be initializing a program to start from scratch to build a new one, just clearing the name (but leaving the rest of the data intact) might leave some weird settings a user is unaware of.
However, if people using the tool are aware Clear only clears the name, they could work with it.

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