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BTW, how to see your midi in the kronos to look at the velocity?? i want to confirm this by myself...

1jordyzzz wrote:BTW, how to see your midi in the kronos to look at the velocity?? i want to confirm this by myself...

Record your playing on the Sequencer

MarPabl wrote:

1jordyzzz wrote:BTW, how to see your midi in the kronos to look at the velocity?? i want to confirm this by myself...

Record your playing on the Sequencer

the after i record, how do i look at the midi messages???

1jordyzzz wrote:

MarPabl wrote:

1jordyzzz wrote:BTW, how to see your midi in the kronos to look at the velocity?? i want to confirm this by myself...

Record your playing on the Sequencer

the after i record, how do i look at the midi messages???

Use the command Event Edit for the track you used to record.

There are also some tools around on the web, if you don't want to record first and look inside the track data afterwards:

First of all, the Kronos editor software can display a "live stream" of the incoming midi data in the screen area at the bottom.

One of my favourite tools since years is http://www.midiox.com/

1jordyzzz wrote:ok this is sorta my custom piano
i use velocity curve 9
first you select dark patches (german dark 2 or japanese dark 2... number 1 is too dark, and 3 is too bright... but it's personal preference..)
at the sgx page, set velocity bias in the range of 50-80 (personal preference.. i use 55 at german and 65 on japan).. close the lid a little bit (80).. and increase the damper resonance to +3

# for japanese, i increase the treble section on the 3 band EQ (just a little bit!), then i add (if i remember exactly) piano body (effect with the word piano, i'm not on the kronos now) IFX to japanese pianos, with wet:dry = 30:70

# for german, i decrease both treble and mid section on the 3 band EQ (very little), i add the same effect as above (piano body effect) with wet:dry = 60:40 (to add lush effect), and also a reverb hall (beware too much reverbration, because a reverb effect has been used on the MFX by default). Don't forget to chain those effect together..

**for both pianos, number 1 IFX has been assigned to a 4 band EQ... keep it, then chain it with the piano effect and the reverb.

i suspect that the piano body effect (don't now the real name of the effect) is to emulate the resonance of the piano body... there are several parameters on the effect that i have customized, but i forget which one.. it's used on the 3 way stereo piano patch, and i guess it's one of the thing that makes the sound "big". and if you increase the damper resonance volume, you will get a stronger effect like you were playing a real piano (YES IT IS!! )

again, it's a personal preference...
well, let me know what you think!

EDIT = i have never tampered the velocity intensity parameter, but i will give it a try later

Thanks! That's very helpful. Encouraging that the lack of sympathetic resonance can be somewhat overcome by using the FX emulation. I'll let you know what I think, but not till I get my Kronos in July!

keekma wrote:

Melodialworks Music wrote:

keekma wrote:
I noticed that on 4 and 9 I only can reach 127 when I slam on keys. Not by playing normal. I have a new keybed. I now use 5. But you can't play as soft on that one, so I changed the velocity settings of the piano in the SGX settings. Now I like the dynamics. I can play the soft samples on the piano and reach the highest more easely.

What SGX settings do you use? Thanks!

I use Velocity Bias -025,
And Velocity Intensity +10,
to compensate for the velocity curve 5 compared to 4/9

Thanks for the information. When I had a Kronos in the studio to evaluate for two days, my impression was that curve #9 could be improved upon by messing with the Bias and Intensity parameters. I'll try your settings when I get the oppourtunity.

Melodialworks Music wrote:

keekma wrote:

Melodialworks Music wrote: What SGX settings do you use? Thanks!

I use Velocity Bias -025,
And Velocity Intensity +10,
to compensate for the velocity curve 5 compared to 4/9

Thanks for the information. When I had a Kronos in the studio to evaluate for two days, my impression was that curve #9 could be improved upon by messing with the Bias and Intensity parameters. I'll try your settings when I get the oppourtunity.

Just to be shure. I use velocity curve 5 with this settings, not 9. Good luck!

I wonder if it has something to do with having OS 1.5.2 installed and then updating to 1.6? This is my 4th Kronos 88 and it was checked by Korg for the note off problem before they shipped it to me. I did notice the key travel seemed more shallow but I was so excited about being able to play without random notes double triggering I just ignored it.

I tried to sequence some drum parts recently and couldn't get anything above 112-115 and I had to hit the keys way to hard just to get that. My normal playing pressure produces velocities around 85-105 on the Kronos. 25 degrees of velocity is to much to leave behind.

I recorded a four bar piano part in Digital Performer and then copied it to another track. I added 35 to all velocities on one track and played them back one at a time. The adjusted track was louder so we are not able to get everything out of the Kronos and while you don't need to play that loud very often, if you do need that little bit extra it should be available.

I'm using a Motu XT Express MIDI interface and recording with Digital Performer 7.2.4. I checked the velocity data in the Kronos sequencer and in DP and they were about the same.

Before I bought the Kronos I used a Kurzweil PC 2X and never had trouble accessing the full 127 velocities.

I talked with Korg product support and they suggested I take it to a service center to have it looked at. I'm looking at 4-6 weeks minimum to get that done so I'D like to try everything I can before I take it to the shop.

Could we get a few 73 or 88 key Kronos owners that feel their's is working properly to run a little test to see what their velocities are?

Could there be a velocity filter setting somewhere that needs adjusting?

If you have the velocity problem:
Was your Kronos shipped with OS 1.5.2?
Did you update to OS 1.6?

Sorry for the long post, just trying to save an extended period without the K.

Ten2One

Melodialworks Music wrote:
Thanks! That's very helpful. Encouraging that the lack of sympathetic resonance can be somewhat overcome by using the FX emulation. I'll let you know what I think, but not till I get my Kronos in July!

i think you mean lack of damper resonance.. kronos doesn't have symphatetic resonance... damper resonance volume could be increased (which i did). i add that piano body effect to get more "warmer" tone.

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1jordyzzz wrote:

Melodialworks Music wrote:
Thanks! That's very helpful. Encouraging that the lack of sympathetic resonance can be somewhat overcome by using the FX emulation. I'll let you know what I think, but not till I get my Kronos in July!

i think you mean lack of damper resonance.. kronos doesn't have symphatetic resonance... damper resonance volume could be increased (which i did). i add that piano body effect to get more "warmer" tone.

Yes, I did mean mean sympathetic resonance, specificaly that the Kronos is lacking this. I had thought you were using one of the FX to try to overcome this, at least to a degree. Apparently not. Very strange that sympathetic resonance is absent. Hopefully this will be addressed in an update.

I would love to hear some examples of your tweaks!

Lawrence

Ten2One wrote:
Product support said I was the first one to report this kind of problem. If we don't tell them they won't fix it!

Belive me, you are not the first one to report that issue, I did time ago, as well as other fellows users.
Check the forum for more info.

Thanx for pointing this out once more, nevertheless.
The more reports, the more attention we will get.

Lets wait for a solution *some day*.

Melodialworks Music wrote:
Yes, I did mean mean sympathetic resonance, specificaly that the Kronos is lacking this. I had thought you were using one of the FX to try to overcome this, at least to a degree. Apparently not. Very strange that sympathetic resonance is absent. Hopefully this will be addressed in an update.

I would love to hear some examples of your tweaks!

Lawrence

actually damper resonance is also a symphatetic resonance (across the whole range of keybed).... symphatetic only involves the keys that are pressed...
i love to record mine but i didn't have an interface yet... just wait for it

for everyone, yes on my kronos it also have trouble to get to 127... i have to hit the keys quite hard till my x keyboard stand wobble around.. with hard pressure (not hardest) i only manage 110-120... it must be a software fault....

I went to Guitar Center today and tested the Kronos 88 key they have there and the velocities were around 112 on my hardest strikes.

I'm going to call product support on monday and share my findings with them and see what they say. I would encourage everyone with this problem to call korg or send a email and ask them to look in to this. I'm afraid this might be another situation like the double strike problem they tried to say was less than 1%.

It might be possible there isn't another sample above 112-115 but we should be able to access all the volume settings for times when you are sequencing and want maximum volume on a certain hit.

Ten2One

Technically as a range of expression I think it is a good thing to require excessive pressure to reach the top values.

This means that our entire range of playing can be effectively covered. 115 values is still quite a high dynamic range if the programming is right.

It is more realistic that way (from a technical point of view) than being able to hit harder but have no change in sound because the velocity levels are already maxed out.

So it is really down to the programming in that these top values should not have any features like sample switching that are unreadable. Unfortunately this is not the case so I suspect that velocity behaviour is considerably different on the RH3 keybeds compared to the 61.

Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?