KingKorg is legit!!!!

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:33 pm

jimknopf wrote:No worries, the present pcg-concept is fine as it is, and the editor thing is something else, and single device related.
Still I really hope will support this great little synth with additional patch libraries not too far in time (like Orgin, Access and others do), and with an update (even at a price) of the librarian to a graphical editor later.

Ok ... however I will take the output format into account and check how easy or difficult it is to add King Korg support ... actually I already am thinking of adding some very old synthesizers's .syx support since those are rather comparable (like Korg M1, N264/N364 etc).

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:47 pm

It will probably be a while before there's much need for a PCG Tools like product for the KingKorg, since it's so new and because the KK does have a librarian already. A better target might be a new product called MicroKorg Tools, since there are massive numbers of original MicroKorgs out there, probably more than all of the other keyboards Korg has ever sold, combined. You could have features for your MicroKorg librarian that Korg doesn't have, and Korg is unlikely to produce any updates or new software for it in the future. There are tons of MicroKorg programs and libraries, with no database software to deal well with a large collection of them.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:53 pm

xmlguy wrote:It will probably be a while before there's much need for a PCG Tools like product for the KingKorg, since it's so new and because the KK does have a librarian already. A better target might be a new product called MicroKorg Tools, since there are massive numbers of original MicroKorgs out there, probably more than all of the other keyboards Korg has ever sold, combined. You could have features for your MicroKorg librarian that Korg doesn't have, and Korg is unlikely to produce any updates or new software for it in the future. There are tons of MicroKorg programs and libraries, with no database software to deal well with a large collection of them.

I also have started a bit with analyzing microKorg items. However I noted that microStation uses a rather strange PCG format. It's more strange than syx format for old synths.

I'm not sure in which order I will do the support for other synths. Most workstations are already covered (Trinity, Karma, Triton, M3, M50, Oasys, Kronos, Krome) so I need either to go into old or other types. I will check all possibilities but microKorg might be a good thing to check too.

Actually I have already requested information regarding the Korg Kross ... hope to have support for it before it is really available

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:59 pm

Sorry to be a bit offtopic :

@xmlguy: I cannot find many microKORG files, except those in .mkxl_all format. Can you redirect me to microKorg patches?

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:02 pm

.mkxl files are for the MicroKorg XL, not the original MicroKorg. The MicroKorg XL is not compatible with the original MicroKorg. They only share the name and some product features. The original/classic MicroKorg is based on the MS2000 series synth. The MicroKorg XL is a feature cut-down version of the R3, derived from the Radias.

The original/classic MicroKorg is the one that has been so popular. It has an old editor/librarian that can be downloaded from Korg's website. It uses .prg files.

I forgot about the MS2000 "patch buddy" library software that you can download here. http://daz.korgforums.com/
It allows sysex files to be organized for the MS2000, and the classic MicroKorg can use most MS2K sysex file/commands, if I remember correctly. I don't think Daz has been updating the software though, and there's lots that could be done with a MicroKorg Librarian, if that interests you in the future.

http://micropony.blogspot.com/2007/12/m ... tches.html
http://microkorg-patch-a-week.blogspot. ... abel/patch

Search for ms2000 ms2K microkorg patches download prg sysex keywords and you'll get a ton of hits.

The MicroKorg has been so popular because it has been selling for 11 years at a very low price, it sounds good, and has been used by countless bands. That combination of factors results in massive sales. The MicroKorg XL has been popular recently, but it's been selling for fewer years, it's more expensive than the classic MK, and the classic is still being sold. Korg created the XL to take advantage of the MicroKorg success, without making it actually compatible.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:53 pm

Anyone who has played the KK yet, how does the feel of the keybed compare to the Kronos x61?

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:30 pm

I don't own one but I have played one for a while in the store. In my opinion it's pretty good, it has a solid feel. Not as good as the Kronos 61 but much better than an M50.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:14 am

Thank You!

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:54 am

Bertotti wrote:Anyone who has played the KK yet, how does the feel of the keybed compare to the Kronos x61?

I played it for 15 minutes at my local store. There was a Kronos 61 also and a Krme directly to it's right.
The KK housing and keybed is the same for both KK and Krome.
The Krons 61 keybed is better. But the KK is nearly on par with the Yamaha XF 61. But I think the keys are all very short compared to my Kawai K5000 or real Pianos. The synths in general are getting more toy like. Same with Roland

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:17 am

Saxifraga wrote: The synths in general are getting more toy like. Same with Roland

I agree ... Plenty of features but the build quality of synths in general is going down. There are not many with semi-weighted keybeds that have a good feel to me.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:05 am

The Novation midi controllers have the best keybed feel and action I've tried. It's a big difference in quality compared to average synth action these days, particularly if you get the 61SL MkII. The keys are semi-weighted with assignable aftertouch, with great responsiveness and quiet too.

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:40 am

I wish they made a 73/76 key version.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:03 am

xmlguy wrote:.mkxl files are for the MicroKorg XL, not the original MicroKorg. The MicroKorg XL is not compatible with the original MicroKorg. They only share the name and some product features. The original/classic MicroKorg is based on the MS2000 series synth. The MicroKorg XL is a feature cut-down version of the R3, derived from the Radias.

The original/classic MicroKorg is the one that has been so popular. It has an old editor/librarian that can be downloaded from Korg's website. It uses .prg files.

I forgot about the MS2000 "patch buddy" library software that you can download here. http://daz.korgforums.com/
It allows sysex files to be organized for the MS2000, and the classic MicroKorg can use most MS2K sysex file/commands, if I remember correctly. I don't think Daz has been updating the software though, and there's lots that could be done with a MicroKorg Librarian, if that interests you in the future.

http://micropony.blogspot.com/2007/12/m ... tches.html
http://microkorg-patch-a-week.blogspot. ... abel/patch

Search for ms2000 ms2K microkorg patches download prg sysex keywords and you'll get a ton of hits.

The MicroKorg has been so popular because it has been selling for 11 years at a very low price, it sounds good, and has been used by countless bands. That combination of factors results in massive sales. The MicroKorg XL has been popular recently, but it's been selling for fewer years, it's more expensive than the classic MK, and the classic is still being sold. Korg created the XL to take advantage of the MicroKorg success, without making it actually compatible.

Thanks for all this info .. and now I found lots more of patches. I see banks with 300 which are useful in PCG Tools. However I also see a lot single program files and this might be a bit tricky since there is not a name in it (it is the file name).

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:40 am

I have to recall my vote, as I bought one.

It's really fun, sounds great and is easy to control (program).

I've put it on top of the Kronos, Layer 2, with the Elektron group above the Kingkorg.

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:40 am

I can only confirm the fun factor.

Second tier here as well: the KK has comppletely replaced my Access TI there (which still is a great synth for other tasks)! Why? Simply, because the KK sounds much(!) better for the things I use most: warm, vivid, analog like leads, basses, pads, effects etc. Now I don't have to try to get that out of the Access TI besides it's main purpose any longer, and can just use it for the typical elctronica midrange sounds it does best, perhaps replacing it by a TI Snow sooner or later.

Wiith the Kronos 73 and the KK on top it is extremely easy to cover anything needed for live purposes (including some Moog-, Oberheim, Prophet5, and Acid sounds and synth effects).

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