No... it cannot be possible

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:22 am

...which is a bad solution if you really, REALLY want to save polyphony. There should be an option to disable such behavior.

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:25 am

Chriskk wrote:Why would anyone want muting to play notes and eat up polyphony?

As Dan said, working on long evolving sounds allows you to Mute and un-Mute the differenet tones, without having to retrigger the sound.

If you ask me, they should just add another option - "Play, Mute & Kill."

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:27 am

EvilDragon wrote:...which is a bad solution if you really, REALLY want to save polyphony. There should be an option to disable such behavior.

How does it work on the Kurz PC3 series? Is the sound never generated in the first place, or is the audio just muted?

aron · Post by **aron** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:27 am

I think maybe only the Roland XP series and the Kurzweil PC3 do this. It seems obvious, but maybe it was overlooked. If this were to be changed, the Kronos really could be 9 engines in a box for live.

What if we said "please"?

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:28 am

aron wrote:I don't think song mode will work either.

It works just like a Combi, except you get your Kill Notes option with MUTE. You combine sounds by putting them on the same MIDI channel, just like you do with a Combi.

aron · Post by **aron** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:31 am

> How does it work on the Kurz PC3 series

As I said, the PC3 does it the best way. Mute will not generate notes. Polyphony is saved when muted. In addition it's very musical. You play a piano sound - say with sustain, then hit the unmute for strings, then play the next notes and the strings sound.

On the Kronos, you play the piano sound, then you hit unmute and you hear a bunch of sustaining string sounds because all along you were playing the strings too.

Not only that, the piano starts suffering from polyphony loss even though only the piano is playing.

If you have 8 layers ready to go, you might be only playing the piano, but every note might be using over 30+ notes of polyphony.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:32 am

MartinHines wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:...which is a bad solution if you really, REALLY want to save polyphony. There should be an option to disable such behavior.
How does it work on the Kurz PC3 series? Is the sound never generated in the first place, or is the audio just muted?

If you mute a zone in the setup, it doesn't get played, simple as that. Great for switching different sounds on the fly, or different combinations on the fly. See, I don't want a crossfade of one sound into another, I want a switch. I don't mind pressing next note to actually hear the switch.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:34 am

aron wrote:What if we said "please"?

Yes, I will say it too: pretty please, add an option that muting doesn't eat up polyphony!

...otherwise I think I've just found one single reason NOT to buy a Kronos!

aron · Post by **aron** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:38 am

>It works just like a Combi, except you get your Kill Notes option with MUTE. You combine sounds by putting them on the same MIDI channel, just like you do with a Combi.

Are you sure? Over here, MUTE doesn't do anything. If I set track 1 and 2 to channel 1, they both play, but MUTE doesn't do anything. I believe MUTE and PLAY really pertain to the sequencer. I would love to be proved wrong.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:42 am

aron wrote:Thanks Dan.

You know, I would give up SST if it would allow me to just do this one thing. I've gotten so used to be able to dial up one combi and then fade in/out:

Piano
Rhodes
FM piano
Pad
Strings
Synth Brass
Brass Section
Organ

It's so liberating to be able to mix and match and fade in/out that to go backwards is going to be difficult.

I understand your point. I've added logical-MIDI mute to my wish list, but I can't make any guarantees. For now, what I can suggest would be to create a few of your favorite combinations of the above sounds, and put them in a Set List so that it's simple to switch between them.

aron wrote:Another thing was that I was hoping to do is layer at least:

Piano+MOD7+HD1+Polysix

But it appears that would severely tax the polyphony limit of the Kronos.

I just tried a quick layer of the SGX-1 piano, a PolysixEX pad, and a single-Osc HD-1, and everything played very well; there was occasional stealing shown on the meters, but it didn't seem to be audible, even when I listened to the layers one at a time (just turning down the volume on the others).

Adding the MOD-7 (which is significantly more CPU-intensive) it still played well, but I heard some stealing if I held down the sustain pedal and played big arpeggios with the sustain pedal down. Whether that would matter or not would depend on the material, I suppose.

Note that the polyphony of HD-1 Programs can vary widely, depending on the use of mono/stereo Multisamples, single/double Osc, velocity crossfade, and Wave Sequences.

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:42 am

aron wrote:Are you sure? Over here, MUTE doesn't do anything. If I set track 1 and 2 to channel 1, they both play, but MUTE doesn't do anything. I believe MUTE and PLAY really pertain to the sequencer. I would love to be proved wrong.

I'll check it out.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:47 am

Another option: the KARMA on/off state can also be used to turn Timbres on and/or off, if desired.

aron · Post by **aron** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:54 am

>Another option: the KARMA on/off state can also be used to turn Timbres on and/or off, if desired.

Can you elaborate. I tried that scene idea I couldn't get the SW buttons to change the scenes. Even if it were to work, it looked like only one scene at a time.

At this point any work-around would be appreciated.

As far as polyphony stealing, of course I had a great sounding pad making a beautiful sound - but probably eating a lot of polyphony.

Then there was a knock on the door and I'm not kidding, UPS brings me my PC361 back. It's like an omen.

Dany · Post by **Dany** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:59 am

Mike Conway wrote:
aron wrote:Are you sure? Over here, MUTE doesn't do anything. If I set track 1 and 2 to channel 1, they both play, but MUTE doesn't do anything. I believe MUTE and PLAY really pertain to the sequencer. I would love to be proved wrong.
I'll check it out.

I am just sitting before my OASYS and I have checked it out to be sure, although i knew it already, but the Mute/Play function in Seq-Mode affects only the notes played from the sequencer, but not the notes you play on the keyboard, they always sound, even if the tracks are muted. So therefore this solution never occured over the past years on the OASYS section as well...

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StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:00 am

Actually, the KARMA On/Off State only allows two different states per combi.

There's actually a much cooler trick/workaround where you can control up to 4 different mixes of timbres, with no polyphony-eating, using KARMA Scenes.

The full tutorial and post can be located here:

Using KARMA Scenes to switch Timbres On/Off