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McHale · Post by **McHale** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:29 am

drchris wrote:Some people on the forum have noted that if they opened their Kronos to expand the memory that they had some uneven keys after that modification.

It wasn't SOME people, it was ONE person. BIG difference. But there is/was no explanation on why it did it or why it was fixed which is a huge problem for me. Merely flipping the Kronos upside down should not cause random keys to do that. Else you could never gig it or ship it.

jazlover · Post by **jazlover** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:34 am

My 88 keys are fine. No spaces. The action is very good.

Is this related to people opening up the keyboard internals circuits or were your keyboards like this from the get go?

EXer · Post by **EXer** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:51 am

I have delayed my decision to buy a Kronos for the reasons I explained before(*) and I'm still hoping Korg will address them with an update, but now I'm more and more concerned about the quality and durability of that synth

(*) 1. only 2 Gb RAM from stock, about 148 Mb of which are available for the user samples ; 2. The small size of the fonts and of the virtual buttons on the touch screen ; 3. the Kronos sequencer has *not* received the updates the M3 had received (piano roll, track view) which make the M3 sequencer a really practical and convenient on-board tool.)

aron · Post by **aron** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:13 am

> but now I'm more and more concerned about the quality and durability of that synth

Uh it's not the loudest or who posts most often. It's the number.
There are many that are fine. Believe what you want. There are lots of people happy with the Kronos.

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:03 pm

aron wrote:> but now I'm more and more concerned about the quality and durability of that synth

Uh it's not the loudest or who posts most often. It's the number.
There are many that are fine. Believe what you want. There are lots of people happy with the Kronos.

I don't think the issues I have brought up should prevent anyone from buying the Kronos. My only real criticism on the software side has been that I'm not overly impressed with certain non-synth sounds. I don't think that is much of a criticism and certainly open to debate.

On the hardware side my opinion is that material choices were not great in certain areas, the GUI does not make for a seamless experience and that the action is not up to par with the rest of the board. I also find the cardboard inserts absurd.

My recommendation to people I know has been, and continues to be that if you need a workstation look no further than the Kronos. If you need digital stage piano I think there are better choices right now because despite the quality of the sounds, I find the action to be mediocre. I also caution those who gig frequently to assess their own habits as I don't think the Kronos is built in a way that will do so well in careless hands.

Frankyb · Post by **Frankyb** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:04 pm

Hi Guys,

mmm, interesting, I simply didn't notice the note and threw those plaques away, Am I in trouble when taking my Kronos with me to the gigs (in the case).

Thanks, Frank

Frankyb · Post by **Frankyb** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:07 pm

BTW I'm a piano player and I think the action of the kronos88 is really nice, works extremely well for me. So if I have to take some precausion to keep it like that,.... no problem !!

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:09 pm

Frankyb wrote:BTW I'm a piano player and I think the action of the kronos88 is really nice, works extremely well for me. So if I have to take some precausion to keep it like that,.... no problem !!

Yes. If you like it that is all that matters. I wouldn't mess with an action that works for me either. I would make some new inserts if you gig frequently. Pressure in that area might cause some bending over time.

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:35 pm

aron wrote:> but now I'm more and more concerned about the quality and durability of that synth

Uh it's not the loudest or who posts most often. It's the number.
There are many that are fine. Believe what you want. There are lots of people happy with the Kronos.

Even though I know it's nowhere near as bad, I'm starting to have flashbacks to the Alesis Fusion forum 5 years ago...

PinkFloydDudi · Post by **PinkFloydDudi** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:29 pm

Bruce Lychee wrote:My comments are contained to a few threads that happen to be comparative in nature or highlighting a particular issue. Often i am also addressing misinformation about other products. I also happen to make positive comments, but of course, those aren't noticed by you.

I understand that you don't want to hear what I have to say, but I take it you don't have issue with hearing the same positive comments repeatedly?

I love hearing shortcomings of keyboards, but when the horse is dead, stop kicking. Hell you are going on for multiple pages because a couple keys are half a millimeter off in terms of spacing.

My suggestion to you is to return your kronos and get a refund. I have no doubt there is someone out there waiting for an 88 key version that will not just purchase it to trash it on a forum.

Mystic38 · Post by **Mystic38** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:27 pm

no, its ok to kick... just make sure the spacers are in first

PinkFloydDudi wrote:I love hearing shortcomings of keyboards, but when the horse is dead, stop kicking.

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:47 pm

PinkFloydDudi wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote:My comments are contained to a few threads that happen to be comparative in nature or highlighting a particular issue. Often i am also addressing misinformation about other products. I also happen to make positive comments, but of course, those aren't noticed by you.

I understand that you don't want to hear what I have to say, but I take it you don't have issue with hearing the same positive comments repeatedly?

I love hearing shortcomings of keyboards, but when the horse is dead, stop kicking. Hell you are going on for multiple pages because a couple keys are half a millimeter off in terms of spacing.

My suggestion to you is to return your kronos and get a refund. I have no doubt there is someone out there waiting for an 88 key version that will not just purchase it to trash it on a forum.

For the sake of balance, let me say again what I have said many times. The Kronos has the engine of a Ferrari, arguably the best pianos and EPs out there and incredibly deep synth engines. Karma is killer and if you want a workstation look no further than the Kronos.

I definitely didn't buy the Kronos to trash it.

burningbusch · Post by **burningbusch** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:00 pm

Bruce Lychee wrote:
For the sake of balance, let me say again what I have said many times. The Kronos has the engine of a Ferrari, arguably the best pianos and EPs out there and incredibly deep synth engines. Karma is killer and if you want a workstation look no further than the Kronos.

I definitely didn't buy the Kronos to trash it.

Maybe you should look at the 61 instead. Yesterday I pulled out my V-Synth (the original as I prefer its soundset to the GT) and noticed the similarities to the Kronos in terms of construction. Both have anodized aluminum tops, plastic sides and metal undercarriage. The area where the mod bender/joystick lives is plastic on both. I like the feel of the V-Synth knobs but on the Kronos they're every bit as solid. The faders are longer throw on the K and feel great. Both have excellent keyboards but the K is quieter. I much prefer the data wheel on the V, but that's the only thing that's noticeably better, IMO. Still the K is $500 less and can do SO MUCH MORE and I seriously don't think the build quality is compromised.

My plan was to swap out my 61 for a 73 when one arrives but I'm re-thinking that. The 61 is pretty sweet.

Busch.

madbeatzyo111 · Post by **madbeatzyo111** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:19 pm

Bruce Lychee wrote: Perhaps I have been slightly more irritated by the way the Jupiter was banished form this forum, only to be brought up again by people wishing to disparage it. I will assess whether that has affected my direction on this forum and make adjustments if I feel necessary. I'm not one to avoid checking myself when necessary.

Well that's very honest of you Bruce. I suspected your recent change in attitude and tone might have something to do with the JP80 thread debacle. You're not the only one for whom that incident left a bitter taste in the mouth, but it seems to have pushed you over the edge from love (or like) to hate. This makes me sad to see, not because I'm a Kronos fanboy, but because I miss the old Bruce.

That said, you reminded me of Data from Star Trek after undergoing a malfunction stating that he would perform a self-diagnostic to locate any issues with his positronic circuitry

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:48 pm

I have no problem stepping back and evaluating where I might have been in the wrong. I do think the way the Jupiter topic was handled made me feel that the forum wasn't so interested in hearing anything critical of the Kronos. Perhaps my desire to rectify that became a bit too single minded.

I do stand by my criticisms of the Kronos and am hopeful that I will get a positive response on the state of my keys. If I don't, I think we will understand exactly what Korg considers acceptable for their flagship product. I hope that won't be the outcome because there are many things I do like about the Kronos.

madbeatzyo111 wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote: Perhaps I have been slightly more irritated by the way the Jupiter was banished form this forum, only to be brought up again by people wishing to disparage it. I will assess whether that has affected my direction on this forum and make adjustments if I feel necessary. I'm not one to avoid checking myself when necessary.
Well that's very honest of you Bruce. I suspected your recent change in attitude and tone might have something to do with the JP80 thread debacle. You're not the only one for whom that incident left a bitter taste in the mouth, but it seems to have pushed you over the edge from love (or like) to hate. This makes me sad to see, not because I'm a Kronos fanboy, but because I miss the old Bruce.

That said, you reminded me of Data from Star Trek after undergoing a malfunction stating that he would perform a self-diagnostic to locate any issues with his positronic circuitry