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danatkorg wrote:

db1 wrote:

Bertotti wrote:I love they are building it up but it depresses me, with the rules they have that I will never buy one.

I know what you mean. I'm at the point now I don't even visit the website to checkout the new EX's.I refuse to buy another one until they update their policy which probably will never happen.

What part of the policy concerns you?

Hello Dan:

The issue is once you purchase an EX, you can't transfer it to another Kronos, or sell it like I was able to with my radias board from my M3. Before purchasing the kronos I had 2 M3's, & I liked that I was able to move my radias from one to another.

What happens if my Kronos breaks? Will they give me free replacement? From what I've read,probably not.

I wanted to purchase a 61 key version & transfer the 3 EX's I purchased, along with everything else over to that board.But I can't because of the policy. For that reason alone I didn't purchase another Kronos.

Is it really true? If I purchase a sound library which contains samples, then I can load this library only to one kronos X? If the Kronos get destroyed, I can not load the same library to another kronos?

How is this technically solved? How do the library knows, to which Kronos it is loaded?

What is the explanation for this? If I buy some software, I can install it on many computers... If I have a hardware dongle, so at least I can use it on one computer at the same time.

It was alluded to that under special circumstances Korg would make it right if they could not repair a board, that shouldn't be a concern in my opinion.

Voluntarily replacing a board and not being able to migrate it is my concern.

GrandMasterKorg wrote:
If I have a hardware dongle, so at least I can use it on one computer at the same time.

Interesting. Would a USB hardware dongle appease the masses?

For me it would not, because I use both USB ports and really don't want to add a USB hub.

I did listen to some of the KApro patches and most of them sounded quite useful and interesting. I'm just not in the market for any sounds at the moment.

I would not be to interested in the dongle approach. I would be much happier with an approach similar to the way NI does.

Bertotti wrote:I would not be to interested in the dongle approach. I would be much happier with an approach similar to the way NI does.

yeah, dongle sucks. It could easily be broken, stolen, forgotten....

I like the system Waves and some others use. You can authorize one "disk" at a time, whether it's a thumbdrive or fixed drive is up to you, and you can also move authorizations between disks. They use an internet based check for the authorization though, not sure how feasible that'd be in the case of the Kronos.

I purchased the KRS 04 and 05. Very easy process.

Greatly enjoying the new Combis, very nice addition to my Kronos

R Brenon wrote:If Korg doesn't up it's game in the Kronos department this will be the last generation of hardware synths that sell well.

I think this is silly. An instrument is as good as what it comes with. The Kronos comes with nine powerful virtual instruments that sound fantastic.

Now, maybe I'm not fussed about any of this because I have a small arsenal, and though I'm no Jack Hotop, I have some good programming skills. So for me, the Kronos is a canvas miles across.

If this really bothers you, I don't think your musical world will implode if you don't buy any of these libraries.

Most software at least has a policy of use on home and office PC. Korg should provide a way of authorizing something similar ... Studio/Gig or backup board. It's a simple thing to implement.

Registering a second board should be proof enough that you are not trying to pirate the EX's.

Bald Eagle wrote:Most software at least has a policy of use on home and office PC. Korg should provide a way of authorizing something similar ... Studio/Gig or backup board. It's a simple thing to implement.

Registering a second board should be proof enough that you are not trying to pirate the EX's.

The first step is to allow a 2nd public id to your korg account. That would gave korg a record of 2 Kronos per 1 owner, for example

Sometimes when I read these threads, it seems like people believe the good folks at Korg just sit around thinking of ways to tick off their customers.

I have complete faith that they have weighed the pros and cons of how they sell their patch sets and came up with the system that makes the most sense for them. I don't like it, either, which is why I only bought one that was tied to my public ID. But I respect their right to sell their products anyway they see fit. It's up to me to decide if it's worth it.

They may sell more copies without the protection, but is also true that they might sell less. Let's face it, electronic musicians do not have a particularly stellar history when it comes to "sharing" patches and samples with people who didn't pay for them. (I'm sure that broad statement doesn't apply to the good members of this forum!)

danmusician wrote:Sometimes when I read these threads, it seems like people believe the good folks at Korg just sit around thinking of ways to tick off their customers.

I have complete faith that they have weighed the pros and cons of how they sell their patch sets and came up with the system that makes the most sense for them. I don't like it, either, which is why I only bought one that was tied to my public ID. But I respect their right to sell their products anyway they see fit. It's up to me to decide if it's worth it.

They may sell more copies without the protection, but is also true that they might sell less. Let's face it, electronic musicians do not have a particularly stellar history when it comes to "sharing" patches and samples with people who didn't pay for them. (I'm sure that broad statement doesn't apply to the good members of this forum!)

I agree with the points in your 2nd paragraph.

I still think think there is a way to accommodate and sort of reward 2 Kronos customers. I

I am sort of curious ' why ' Korg doesn't try to do so. A thought occurred to me when I was buying the KRS's from the Korg Store. The Store is ok but is not a robust state of the art web store. Basic functionality.

Plus Korg would need a managed ( behind the scenes ) and multi functional customer data base to manage multiple purchases ( for 1 account).
Without that ( or a data warehouse solution)

Korg has over 10,000 Kronos customer by my guess work. They offer 300 other products with guess how many customers. So Korg might have 50,000 to 100,000 customers. To manage that data plus offer and systemically track a 2nd discounted software product would be a task.

danatkorg wrote: What part of the policy concerns you?

Hi Dan and Korg colleagues

I have several EXs and KRS libraries bought, and I am happy with them, and it's nice to see more material developed.

I do share the desire for an alternative policy of Korg though for the EXs, either thru a dongle or a way to transfer the license to a new keyboard

Bertotti wrote:I am just going to go to software. NI, Omnisphere, etc.

That's what I did....No worries about losing the libraries if my Muse Research dies....Just transfer the licenses to something else and move on....I personally don't see any incentive to invest in Korg's expansion libraries as the policy stands....If I don't have the ability to install it on a future Kronos (or a replacement hard drive for that matter) then what did I buy exactly?....A one time use I guess?....Sorry but I see no value in that as a buyer....Just my 2 cents....moon