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media-igor wrote:Some professionals say (I'm inclined to trust them) that HD-1 is obsolete for 10-15 years, as the two oscillator - it is very small and not enough! I think at the present level of development of computer technology - certainly strange to see on board KRONOS 32-bit system with 3 gigabytes of memory! I think KRONOS 2 - is a cosmetic update. I would like more radical renewal of iron. Although thanks to Korg for what he did to move further along the path of progress, albeit slowly.

if its so easy, professionals , where is the competition ?

and , by the way, the strategy was to keep the Kronos platform unified

Competition? Please note that: http://pastyles.x10.mx/KronosEXs/Pianos%20Suite.html

Apparently many developers have to use combi mode, instead of just creating a program.

media-igor wrote:Apparently many developers have to use combi mode, instead of just creating a program.

Definitely true , the power of Kronos is only COMBI mode unlike HD1 program features that are 10 years beyond of same
trade , Pa3X which happens to be an amateur arranger but it has 24 OSC/Filters per sound plus legato/stacc/cyclic
articulation features that Korg Japan should had adopted since Oasys period and not just follow Triton programming code !

A serious today's developer needs at least 16 to 32 OSC to replicate a native instrument and any other claiming is
to justify development level weakness ! So COMBI is the one way HD1 development !

Also note that SGX 1/2 engines , are COMBI (and not Progr) with many different OSC and switching articulations !

media-igor wrote:Some professionals say (I'm inclined to trust them) that HD-1 is obsolete for 10-15 years, as the two oscillator - it is very small and not enough! I think at the present level of development of computer technology - certainly strange to see on board KRONOS 32-bit system with 3 gigabytes of memory! I think KRONOS 2 - is a cosmetic update. I would like more radical renewal of iron. Although thanks to Korg for what he did to move further along the path of progress, albeit slowly.

How many other workstations have > 3GB ram?

media-igor wrote: Apparently many developers have to use combi mode, instead of just creating a program.

Isn't the whole point of the Kronos that it has nine synthesis engines that can be combined in infinite ways? From my point of view using combi mode is the entire point of the instrument.

Also the notion that two oscillator subtractive synthesis is obsolete is absurd. Give a listen to Don Solaris' demo of the patches he created for the Yamaha AN1X (a hardware VA keyboard from 1997) and tell me how obsolete that sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5r-PBBNsng

wish i had the money for this...kinda dissapointed its so much...i mean i was expecting it to be 100.00 for people who already invested in korg by getting the kronos or kronos x...I find it a bit greedy for already owners of this board..I mean i get that there is alot of r&d into the sounds but $50 off is like a slap in the face to a konos owner.....no offence but its rather pathetic.

techeverlasting wrote:Also the notion that two oscillator subtractive synthesis is obsolete is absurd.

Are you sure that you've got what Igor meant ? most of us have lived the original "anolog" glory decades before !
We're talking about module that the 90 % of EXs deal with ... HD1 , the most important module for today's workstations
and in 2015 a dual filter-OSC Program in a sampler is totally outdated for decent sound developing !

techeverlasting wrote:

media-igor wrote: Apparently many developers have to use combi mode, instead of just creating a program.

Isn't the whole point of the Kronos that it has nine synthesis engines that can be combined in infinite ways? From my point of view using combi mode is the entire point of the instrument.

Also the notion that two oscillator subtractive synthesis is obsolete is absurd. Give a listen to Don Solaris' demo of the patches he created for the Yamaha AN1X (a hardware VA keyboard from 1997) and tell me how obsolete that sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5r-PBBNsng

It is understood that one can make a combi layers 16 (i.e., oscillator 32), but the combination is not convenient (not autonomous) use, unlike the program. You also need to monitor their integrity. Also combi spend IFX which only 12 and that you may need for other purposes.

BobTheDog wrote:

media-igor wrote:Some professionals say (I'm inclined to trust them) that HD-1 is obsolete for 10-15 years, as the two oscillator - it is very small and not enough! I think at the present level of development of computer technology - certainly strange to see on board KRONOS 32-bit system with 3 gigabytes of memory! I think KRONOS 2 - is a cosmetic update. I would like more radical renewal of iron. Although thanks to Korg for what he did to move further along the path of progress, albeit slowly.

How many other workstations have > 3GB ram?

The fact that other stations have little memory - indicates that they are also not sufficiently developed! This is understandable. Station owners a lot less than the owners of computers, therefore the development of the stations do not to invest sufficiently. As a result, it may happen that in a few years, virtual synthesizers will be sound better workstations.

mikeyd wrote:When you check out your purchase it will be in your list of purchases. All you need to do is download KRS07.

And yes....great stuff in there!

I downloaded the KRS07 sound pack and installed it on the Kronos X. When I load it I can't find any of the combi's or patches. There was only one file that got downloaded at purchase. Is it possible that I am missing another file?

[b]gdorworth[/b]

Have you looked in the default banks? They should be in in U-AA and U-BB for programs and Combinations are in I-D.

Since you have and X, select the KRONOSX files and use those.

But I'm a little confused.

Did you buy the Berlin Piano (EX17 and EX18)? That's the only way you can get the KRS07.

So if that's the case, maybe reload all of them again if they are not in the default banks. Also make sure to load the samples. All of the instructions are in the OP guides that came with the banks.

Hope that helps

AntonySharmman wrote: Are you sure that you've got what Igor meant ?

You're right, I didn't grasp what the topic was here - sorry. While a 2 Oscillator subtractive engine is a classic way to create analog synth patches it isn't sufficient to create realistic expressive sampled instruments.

At the other extreme is the Kurzweil PC3Ks, which can have 32-layers per program and endless modulation routings but can only load 128 MB of user samples.

techeverlasting wrote:

AntonySharmman wrote: Are you sure that you've got what Igor meant ?

At the other extreme is the Kurzweil PC3Ks, which can have 32-layers per program and endless modulation routings but can only load 128 MB of user samples.

Funny enough, you're absolutely right. Kurzweil's been able to do this for a while though; I had a K2500 back in 1999 that was able to do exactly what you just mentioned, with 128mb of RAM. When I finally moved away from Kurzweil and to Korg, that was a MAJOR stumbling block for me, was the fact that there was only 2 OSC's per program.

My workflow used to be to create whatever sound as a Program, and Setups (Combi mode on a Kurzweil) were basically only used to layer sound/create splits, and give you more advanced MIDI control. You could have the local keyboard control multiple MIDI channels at the same time where with Korg, you have to set all of your Combi layers set to the same trigger channel (Unless you're doing something interesting with KARMA where it seems to act as a proxy of some kind)

I digress. There are some things I severely miss about Kurzweil PC3K8, however it's currently leaning against my wall in the studio while my Kronos is hooked up full time. With what the Kronos offers, I can do without on my Kurz.

The new piano is wonderful. Already made my own patch.

The EX18 is a bit of a letdown for me because it's mostly samplers from other packs.

fuse wrote:The new piano is wonderful. Already made my own patch.

The EX18 is a bit of a letdown for me because it's mostly samplers from other packs.

Berlin is superb.

the new 254 programs do nothing for you ?