Roli releases Seaboard Rise
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The KRONOS works fine with the RISE 5D effects, as long as the program selected on the KRONOS is set up to use the MIDI control information sent out.
(1) Strike sends MIDI Note-on with Velocity, so most KRONOS programs will respond to Strike just like a key press on a touch-sensitive keyboard - usually that's initial volume control.
(2) Press sends either MIDI Aftertouch or Poly Aftertouch, which is often used for filter or LFO intensity on a standard keyboard.
(3) Glide sends MIDI Pitch Bend, and the KRONOS program should have pitch bend set to +12 and -12 semitones. Sideways movement of the finger on the keywave gives vibrato, and longer pitch bends can be made using the RISE pitch ribbons.
(4) Slide sends MIDI CC#74, which is permanently connected to filter cutoff frequency (brightness) on the KRONOS. Roli says they are going to make the CC# for Slide user-selectable in future releases of the Dashboard software, which will make it usable for other things.
(5) Lift sends MIDI Note-off with Release Velocity, which is only used on the KRONOS for piano key release control.
Sensitivity for Glide, Slide, and Press can be adjusted with the touch faders on the RISE panel. Other controller settings can be made with Dashboard. Ya gotta read the manuals, and then set up the RISE and and edit the KRONOS programs to get the RISE 5D effects / controls to do what you want them to do...
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(1) Strike sends MIDI Note-on with Velocity, so most KRONOS programs will respond to Strike just like a key press on a touch-sensitive keyboard - usually that's initial volume control.
(2) Press sends either MIDI Aftertouch or Poly Aftertouch, which is often used for filter or LFO intensity on a standard keyboard.
(3) Glide sends MIDI Pitch Bend, and the KRONOS program should have pitch bend set to +12 and -12 semitones. Sideways movement of the finger on the keywave gives vibrato, and longer pitch bends can be made using the RISE pitch ribbons.
(4) Slide sends MIDI CC#74, which is permanently connected to filter cutoff frequency (brightness) on the KRONOS. Roli says they are going to make the CC# for Slide user-selectable in future releases of the Dashboard software, which will make it usable for other things.
(5) Lift sends MIDI Note-off with Release Velocity, which is only used on the KRONOS for piano key release control.
Sensitivity for Glide, Slide, and Press can be adjusted with the touch faders on the RISE panel. Other controller settings can be made with Dashboard. Ya gotta read the manuals, and then set up the RISE and and edit the KRONOS programs to get the RISE 5D effects / controls to do what you want them to do...
df
Re Kronos and Seaboard Rise
Can you show us with a small video on Youtube. It would help a lot?
dfahrner wrote:The KRONOS works fine with the RISE 5D effects, as long as the program selected on the KRONOS is set up to use the MIDI control information sent out.
(1) Strike sends MIDI Note-on with Velocity, so most KRONOS programs will respond to Strike just like a key press on a touch-sensitive keyboard - usually that's initial volume control.
(2) Press sends either MIDI Aftertouch or Poly Aftertouch, which is often used for filter or LFO intensity on a standard keyboard.
(3) Glide sends MIDI Pitch Bend, and the KRONOS program should have pitch bend set to +12 and -12 semitones. Sideways movement of the finger on the keywave gives vibrato, and longer pitch bends can be made using the RISE pitch ribbons.
(4) Slide sends MIDI CC#74, which is permanently connected to filter cutoff frequency (brightness) on the KRONOS. Roli says they are going to make the CC# for Slide user-selectable in future releases of the Dashboard software, which will make it usable for other things.
(5) Lift sends MIDI Note-off with Release Velocity, which is only used on the KRONOS for piano key release control.
Sensitivity for Glide, Slide, and Press can be adjusted with the touch faders on the RISE panel. Other controller settings can be made with Dashboard. Ya gotta read the manuals, and then set up the RISE and and edit the KRONOS programs to get the RISE 5D effects / controls to do what you want them to do...
df
Kronos X73, Logic Pro 9, Komplete 9 Ultimate, Reason 8, Nanopad, Padkontrol, Leap motion with Geco App, Arturia v4 pack, IK multimedia Total Studio 3, iPad air 2, iMac i7, Roli Seaboard Rise, many plug-ins and iPad app.
Re: Re Kronos and Seaboard Rise
Sorry, ybob, old guys like me don't do videos, but all the info is in the manuals...in its default mode, the RISE sends the MIDI controller data described on Ch1, so you don't really need to do anything at that end - although I don't remember (I'm almost 70 years old) if RISE Press defaults to Aftertouch or Poly Aftertouch, so you may have to set that with Dashboard, too...at the KRONOS end, you'll need to set the pitch bend range of the program to + / - 12 semitones, and that should get you started...ybobo64 wrote:Can you show us with a small video on Youtube. It would help a lot?
That's how I do it all the time, no issues...Bertotti wrote:Thanks for that dfahrner! One question have you booted up the Kronos with the Rise connected? Any issues if you have?
df
Edit: I did make changes with Dashboard: the RISE is in Single Channel mode, with Press / Glide and Slide Tracking set to Last Note Played, and Press set to Channel Pressure...I set up a KRONOS combi with multiple channels of the same program, to use with the RISE Multi mode and Poly Aftertouch; it works fine, but I'm going to learn to use the RISE in a monophonic configuration until my keywave / 5D control chops are better...again, you're going to have to dig into those manuals, there's a lot to learn (and set up) here...
Re-Kronos
ok thanks! I'll try that and look forward! If i find something else, i'll let you know!
Kronos X73, Logic Pro 9, Komplete 9 Ultimate, Reason 8, Nanopad, Padkontrol, Leap motion with Geco App, Arturia v4 pack, IK multimedia Total Studio 3, iPad air 2, iMac i7, Roli Seaboard Rise, many plug-ins and iPad app.
What I am wondering ... is there a way to set up a combi, in which some, say 10, channels are allocated to the rise, wheeras the others are playable on the Kronos? I'm thinking e.g. bass & drums on Kronos, and then multiple, identical guitar channels to be controlled by the Rise ? Is that possible? Can you limit the number of channels (and channel numbers) the rise outputs to when in poly mode?
Kronos X-88, Nanopad2, Tascam US122 MKii, Roli Rise 49
If you set the Rise to a different midi channel from the one the KRONOS sees as the Global Midi channel (which is set in global mode), then the Rise will pay any COMBI part that matches what channel you have it set to.tomto66 wrote:What I am wondering ... is there a way to set up a combi, in which some, say 10, channels are allocated to the rise, wheeras the others are playable on the Kronos? I'm thinking e.g. bass & drums on Kronos, and then multiple, identical guitar channels to be controlled by the Rise ? Is that possible?
The KRONOS keybed should only play COMBI parts that are assigned to the Global channel.
So yes, it should work.
Regards
Sharp.
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Not at the Roli Rise right now but if I remember correctly the dashboard in multi lets you specify the midi channel range or just the channel you want. Rise uses multiple channels to play the 5D or its multi mode were you can assign a cc to a fader of xy pad and then set the channel range. I think. As I currently understand it Rise plays each subsequent note on a different channel that is how they get the poly after touch, up to ten channels, so you set the beginning and ending of the range you want. In single mode you set the channel to use.
I wonder if Roli searches the net from time to time to see the relevant discussions going on. I know some do and post on the threads correcting mistakes or misconceptions.
I wonder if Roli searches the net from time to time to see the relevant discussions going on. I know some do and post on the threads correcting mistakes or misconceptions.
Sharp and Bertotti have it right - in Multi mode you can set the channels transmitted by the RISE...the KRONOS doesn't support MPE / "Expressive MIDI", and there's a bit of a catch here: when Expressive MIDI is off, the RISE XY touchpad and touch faders (in MIDI mode) still transmit on Ch1, which is probably not what you want with the KRONOS set to receive MIDI from the RISE on other channels...ROLI is aware of this, and it will be changed in future Dashboard / RISE updates...
I've been trying to use the RISE with the KRONOS for one-hand monophonic horn lines, and what seems to work best so far is:
- RISE in Single Channel mode, with Press / Glide and Slide Tracking set to Last Note Played, and Press set to Channel Pressure
- KRONOS HD-1 program: P1:Program/Basic / Basic/Vector / Voice Assign Mode set to Poly, Poly Legato, Single Trigger, and Max # of Notes = 1; P2: Osc / Pitch JS(+X) set to +12, JS(-X) set to -12; Channel Aftertouch routed as required, to volume control, LFO control, etc.
There's a lot to deal with here...it might be easier to just forget about duplicating real instruments and just see what kind of interesting syth setups you can come up with...but if anyone wants a copy of my current KRONOS / ROLI "horn" programs, send me a PM and I'll send you a PCG...
df
I've been trying to use the RISE with the KRONOS for one-hand monophonic horn lines, and what seems to work best so far is:
- RISE in Single Channel mode, with Press / Glide and Slide Tracking set to Last Note Played, and Press set to Channel Pressure
- KRONOS HD-1 program: P1:Program/Basic / Basic/Vector / Voice Assign Mode set to Poly, Poly Legato, Single Trigger, and Max # of Notes = 1; P2: Osc / Pitch JS(+X) set to +12, JS(-X) set to -12; Channel Aftertouch routed as required, to volume control, LFO control, etc.
There's a lot to deal with here...it might be easier to just forget about duplicating real instruments and just see what kind of interesting syth setups you can come up with...but if anyone wants a copy of my current KRONOS / ROLI "horn" programs, send me a PM and I'll send you a PCG...
df
So a bit over a month after my family bought me the 25 Rise they release the 49. I can say i am not upset other then I would like to have it as well. I really needed a nice small 25 key to travel with. Way to go Roli you knew people would want a 49 and you delivered without dragging on a 25 and grabbing cash from those who unlike me would have bough the 49 to start with!
Last edited by Bertotti on Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Yea good on you! I see it also comes with a nice carrying case now should strap and such, also bigwig 8track is included. I checked my Roli and they added the bigwig 8 track to my Roli page as well so that was nice of them. I do however wish they would have released a soft case for the 25, not a simple little bit to find a nice case for. i suppose I will have to get some leather and make one to go over the bespoke plasticy case it is shipped in.
You will love the Rise!
You will love the Rise!