A few answers

[cello]

the guys with the old car (the O) are now stuck with something that is almost worthless.

I'm sorry that your Oasys is almost worthless to you. But I could do you a favor and take that boat anchor off your hands for a generous 1000€.

But seriously, cello, your bitter exaggerated tirades have grown tiresome. I've noticed that Dan and Rich seem to have fled this thread, and we're answering each other's questions for many posts because, once again, you have turned this into a troll thread.

I think you've stated your case about one hundred times now, and I'm tired of seeing you and a couple of others ruining threads with endlessly repeating grouching.

Please, no more. I'm sure you're a better man than this in person. Let's be more like Akos and less like Ozy, how about it?

Sorry you feel that way about my posts synthguy - certainly not trying to ruin anyone's enjoyment of these forums; or in their excitement about Kronos! If you look at my posts before NAMM, you'll see that I was Mr. Positive about all things Korg, and perhaps you're right - maybe I've stood on my soapbox too long!

And be assured my O is not worthless to me! Best board I ever bought and to be absolutely honest, I've started to throw the idea around of off-loading my T3ex (again not worth much to others; but worth loads to me!) and getting a 61-Kronos. But I'm assuming that all my customised sounds can be loaded into the K, but I don't know that (I know it has been stated in threads but I don't feel sure about it...).

Last thing I want to do is p!ss people off so if I'm getting boring and predictable, then things must change! (You'll forgive however, I'm sure, if I have a temporary relapse occasionally! but I do have a point which is shared by many! )

When all is said and done - I care not for the CPU, the fan speed, the KSF this and LFO that (I'm not technically minded that way). I care most deeply about composing and recording music - and enjoying others' enthusiasm for the same thing...

(if you want to know a little more about me check out this thread... http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=58498)

[Scott]

I've noticed that Dan and Rich seem to have fled this thread, and we're answering each other's questions for many posts because, once again, you have turned this into a troll thread.

I think you've stated your case about one hundred times now, and I'm tired of seeing you and a couple of others ruining threads with endlessly repeating grouching.

Yes... This thread was full of real, useful, interesting information, with great feedback from Korg, and then it turned into another place to bitch and moan about OASYS. There are already a bunch of other threads for that. It was nice to have ONE thread that is just for useful Kronos operational info, without someone entering the room with a stinky cigar. (Apologies to the cigar smokers out there.) The majority of people interested in buying a Kronos don't own an OASYS. Maybe we can have just one thread that is an OASYS-complaint-free zone?

[jahrome]

I am curious why the Pa3X has an adjustable LCD and not Kronos?


Also, and chance TC-Helicon Voice Processor Effects make their way into Kronos?

[EvilDragon]

Also, and chance TC-Helicon Voice Processor Effects make their way into Kronos?

Most definitely not.

[MartinHines]

Nanopad is not supported, but they have talked about it (it does mean they will do it)

I don't believe Korg has "talked about it". They simply said they are listening.

I would not expect Korg to support the nanoPAD2. It would be nice, but they may think there is not enough interest to warrant the investment.

[synthguy]

I've started to throw the idea around of off-loading my T3ex (again not worth much to others; but worth loads to me!) and getting a 61-Kronos. But I'm assuming that all my customised sounds can be loaded into the K, but I don't know that (I know it has been stated in threads but I don't feel sure about it...).

I'm glad we're all feeling a little better about things now. I'd think a Kronos with an Oasys would be an incredible tag team of instruments. Better than an M3, as in my awesome video link below. I will have to say though about your T3 that you might scroll through the waves used to see if they have an equivalent on your Oasys. If not, recreating them on that better instrument might be a challenge. This is why I have to have a Roland, a Yamaha, a Kurzweil and a Korg on hand, because those wave roms are the basic colors we mix to get our sounds.

Plus, as I'm fond of saying, these instruments all have a rather unique sound in their own right, and not just from their old and new wave roms. which is why I'll never sell another instrument again, and intend to buy all the ones I've sold. Fortunately for me, that's only one or two synths now.

And since my lengthy edit apparently didn't show up for a while in my last post, I thought I'd give it again here.

Randelph makes some good points, though I'm not quite as urgent about them as he is. Then again, I'm a synthesist which has been digging through this technology since the old days, so I'm used to learning how to use and get sounds from all this gear on my own. Still, these toys are so powerful and complicated that no one can grasp everything.

I'm not sure Sharp wants to shackle this site with a bunch of corporate involvement, because it could compromise things. Look at all the posts from cello and Ozy, would such freewheeling, random and even caustic remarks be permitted if KORG were directly involved? There are people from different companies here though. Besides the KORG folk, there's someone from Kid-nepro where you can buy sounds, perhaps even make requests for custom patches.

I know we're not very organized, but many of us are helpful with advice and problem solving. While I'm rather protective of the patches I make, I did a basic synth programming tutorial over at karma-labs.com for the M3. Those of us with free time could have more of a presence here, offer patches, tips and tricks, more than we have. We don't necessarily need KORG to have a shop here, or third parties. Maybe Sharp can chime in on this.

And on expectations on future expansions and enhancements of Kronos: no one should ever buy anything with the thought that a company will give you freebies or paid improvements in the future. Who buys a Ferrari with the notion that, "They'd better offer an engine with 50% more power in a year or so"? If someone talked like that to Ferrari reps, or even friends, they'd laugh at you.

Okay, musical instruments are a little different, especially these computerized workstation guys we buy. The sequencer in the Kronos is software. It can be enhanced. Synth engines can be added, sample libraries expanded. Maybe ram can be user-installed. BUT, a few of us are acting like the K isn't good enough, as if it's just another rompler. Jeepers, guys, this thing on paper makes just about everything I own redundant. It may make every synth I own sound dull and lifeless in comparison, and it wouldn't surprise me. I'll have a single instrument that I could possibly do all my music on. Not likely, but the thought is entertaining.

Before some of us fold our arms in a grump demanding more goodies, let's appreciate it for what it is for a while. If it's not a game changer for you, oh well. It is for the rest of us. Don't try and poison the well before we've even had a drink!

I'm especially excited to have something I can do Jack Hotop's excellent song with.

[cello]

Yeah, read that eventually in your previous post!

Just for the record I'm also thinking of getting a second OASYS (and not a Kronos). Reason for that is that the O will probably be cheaper and still gives me what I want - ie two versions of the same libraries of sounds. Often there is a sound I want to use on the O (across the whole keyboard so setting up zones won't help me) but there's another I want to use in the same way at the same time! Can't be done (in realtime) - unless you have two.

Also - please don't think I'm trolling, I'm not feeling better about things, I just said I would be less vocal about it and would try to be understanding that it might be boring for others who have no interest in the O!

But, peace.

Great link by the way (hadn't seen this one before) - just shows the power of the O and of course the K - and Mr Hotop's skills . Don't know which keyboard is best - but one thing is for sure Korg have produced the best keyboards in the world. So the one thing I'm NOT thinking about is 'going over to the dark side(s)'!

[alanforrest]

Just for the record I'm also thinking of getting a second OASYS (and not a Kronos). Reason for that is that the O will probably be cheaper and still gives me what I want - ie two versions of the same libraries of sounds. Often there is a sound I want to use on the O (across the whole keyboard so setting up zones won't help me) but there's another I want to use in the same way at the same time! Can't be done (in realtime) - unless you have two.

this is a bit off topic, but there's a cheaper way of doing it than that - i do it with my M3 already. I just set up the voice I want to use across the whole board on a different MIDI channel, then use a second keyboard to play that midi channel. you can use pretty much any board for that, so you don't have to have two O's

by the way Rich, if you haven't disappeared in despair at all the whinging, any info on the questions I asked before?

[Scott]

Just for the record I'm also thinking of getting a second OASYS (and not a Kronos). Reason for that is that the O will probably be cheaper and still gives me what I want - ie two versions of the same libraries of sounds. Often there is a sound I want to use on the O (across the whole keyboard so setting up zones won't help me) but there's another I want to use in the same way at the same time! Can't be done (in realtime) - unless you have two.

Along the lines of what Alan said, you can really use *any* other keyboard to drive an OASYS sound, just set it up on a different MIDI channel, and you'll have two OASYS sounds each with its own full size keyboard. You can even get fancier and pick a second keyboard that, itself, can be split and zoned for more flexibility. Plenty to choose from, and you can also pick one that has an action that is different from (and therefore complements) the action on the OASTS you have.

[cello]

Thanks alanforest and Scott - indeed I should experiment more with this!

Re-reading my post I realise I didn't say what I meant! What I did mean (more clearly this time) is to have one O with one set of sounds (say, factory) and then the other O (or Kronos for that matter) with custom sounds - like say Karo's Symphonic Library. I sort of bundled them all together as my 'library' in my previous post - but of course you can't have one O play both at the same time as the Karo sounds over-write a lot of the factory sounds (not all just to be clear!).

So in essence I could have playing in realtime nice big pads with a slow violin lead on top

Sorry for the confusion but I do appreciate your input!

[vEddY]

If you use a Setlist feature and program your sounds there, does the setlist send prog.change data via MIDI OUT in sequence, or does it obey the PROG/COMBI number? Very important if someone uses additional modules with KRONOS while working in Setlist mode.

To be completely specific, let's say you have a setlist that uses COMBI sound 14 at first slot, then 25 at slot 2, then 30 at slot 3, then 55 at slot 4. When you go through this setlist, will it change external gear patches from 14 to 25 to 30 to 55 or from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4?

[Scott]

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[Scott]

To be completely specific, let's say you have a setlist that uses COMBI sound 14 at first slot, then 25 at slot 2, then 30 at slot 3, then 55 at slot 4. When you go through this setlist, will it change external gear patches from 14 to 25 to 30 to 55 or from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4?

The way Timbres and Combis works on Korgs in general is that they can include patch changes for external gear. So, in your example, when you call up your 2nd sound (#25), you can have it change a piece of external gear to 2, or 25, or any other number you choose, or not change it at all, or change one piece of gear to one number and change another piece of gear to something else, whatever you want. You use the EXT or EX2 parameter and set your external gear up on the appropriate MIDI channels.

[alanforrest]

oh korg, how I love thee...

[vEddY]

To be completely specific, let's say you have a setlist that uses COMBI sound 14 at first slot, then 25 at slot 2, then 30 at slot 3, then 55 at slot 4. When you go through this setlist, will it change external gear patches from 14 to 25 to 30 to 55 or from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4?

The way Combi works on Korgs in general is that a Combi can include patch changes for external gear. So, in your example, when you call up your 2nd combi (#25), you can have it change a piece of external gear to 2, or 25, or any other number you choose, or not change it at all, or change one piece of gear to one number and change another piece of gear to something else, whatever you want. You use the EXT or EX2 parameter and set your external gear up on the appropriate MIDI channels.

Scott, I'm very well aware how it works when you're switching combis in COMBI mode As I said, I've been using this for years. Setlist is something else. You have a "virtual" (list) and "buffered" (seamless) way of changing combis, programs, etc. That's all fine and cool. But when you change a patch or a combi in Setlist mode, it either sends MIDI prog change message based on COMBI/PROG user selects, or by the number of the patch in the setlist. Which is what I'm asking. There's a difference.

Logical thing would be that MIDI prog change message that's being sent is based on the COMBI/PROG number user selects, of course.

Anyhow, maybe KORG people can shed a light on this one. Dan? Rich?