Tone wheel organ with mechanical slider bars with SGX piano , EP-1 , strings , clavs , pads and efx's .
Cool new stage piano called the "Korg Kronos". Has everything you mentioned and comes in a 73 and 88 weighted version. Couple of screws and you can have built-in speakers too!
Yea but I was referring to something with great build quality .
I'm talking about a stage piano with elegance and class with excellent craftsmanship like the new Hammound SK-1 and SK-2 http://www.hammondorganco.com/
This is getting ridiculous. Have those people requesting these items actually tried and played a Kronos?
The build quality issue has been a point of debate, true, but there are at least as many people saying it's fine as saying it's not. The Kronos has 9 sliders, 8 knobs, a vector joystick, a 4-way joystick, a ribbon and a touch screen. That is quite a lot of control already (somebody even made an "analog" tweakable patch with AL-1), especially since you can freely assign nearly all of them. And there's always midi controllers.
SanderXpander wrote:This is getting ridiculous. Have those people requesting these items actually tried and played a Kronos?
The build quality issue has been a point of debate, true, but there are at least as many people saying it's fine as saying it's not. The Kronos has 9 sliders, 8 knobs, a vector joystick, a 4-way joystick, a ribbon and a touch screen. That is quite a lot of control already (somebody even made an "analog" tweakable patch with AL-1), especially since you can freely assign nearly all of them. And there's always midi controllers.
I think there are enough controllers on the Kronos (and earlier models too). However, I use a MIDI foot pedal to prevent having to remove one hand to control one or more.
SanderXpander wrote:This is getting ridiculous. Have those people requesting these items actually tried and played a Kronos?
The build quality issue has been a point of debate, true, but there are at least as many people saying it's fine as saying it's not. The Kronos has 9 sliders, 8 knobs, a vector joystick, a 4-way joystick, a ribbon and a touch screen. That is quite a lot of control already (somebody even made an "analog" tweakable patch with AL-1), especially since you can freely assign nearly all of them. And there's always midi controllers.
well, my Voyager has 41 knobs and 13 switches, a touchpad and the wheels... almost no parameter to be set via sw...
my kraftzwerg has 31 knobs, 13 switch and tons of patch-points..
simply someone likes different chassis than wotkstation ones...
well, my Voyager has 41 knobs and 13 switches, a touchpad and the wheels... almost no parameter to be set via sw...
my kraftzwerg has 31 knobs, 13 switch and tons of patch-points..
simply someone likes different chassis than wotkstation ones...
Yep but can they sample?
Do they have built in FX
Do they have an audio and midi computer interface?
Separate outputs?
Can they recreate grand pianos?
Do they have accurate recreations of acoustic instruments?
Are they FM synths?
Do they have 3 types of analog synthesis?
Do they have KARMA composition?
Tonewheel organs?
Touchscreen?
ETC....
These are masters of specific areas....
The Kronos is a master of many??
Korg Kronos 88, Korg M1, Novation SL61 MKII, Roland JV1080 with Techno expansion, Roland D110, Yamaha MU80, KRK Rokit 5 monitors, Akai ME30PII midi patch bay, Behringer RX1602 mixer, ESI ESP1010e audio interface, Quad Core PC, Cubase Pro 9.0, SE X1 condenser mic.
well, my Voyager has 41 knobs and 13 switches, a touchpad and the wheels... almost no parameter to be set via sw...
my kraftzwerg has 31 knobs, 13 switch and tons of patch-points..
simply someone likes different chassis than wotkstation ones...
Yep but can they sample?
Do they have built in FX
Do they have an audio and midi computer interface?
Separate outputs?
Can they recreate grand pianos?
Do they have accurate recreations of acoustic instruments?
Are they FM synths?
Do they have 3 types of analog synthesis?
Do they have KARMA composition?
Tonewheel organs?
Touchscreen?
ETC....
These are masters of specific areas....
The Kronos is a master of many??
davyP i am NOT saying kronos sucks, ok? i think it is actually a great workstation
i am just saying that personally i understand people thinking about loading the MS-20, monopoly, polysix, wavestation engines in a different chassis
with more real time controllers. that's all. but of course in this case it would be not a "workstation".
personally i do not care of sample, touchscreen, real instruments emulation and so on... many of my synth have 1 VCO with 3 waveforms and no patch memories... again, you have to think that this think are made for different purposes
anyway i have owned a trinity v3 and now have m3 as workstation and i appreciated it even iit is not my go-to machine for programming.
as i wrote i think kronos is really a great instrument, just i would not not use some features but i understand that many others do and it's not a problem;
just thinking that since radias is discountend, i would appreciate a new VA from korg based on existing modeling engine of classic korg analog gear.
different interest and point of view may co-exist without this meaning that kronos is not a great machine
this forum really went waaaay off topic lol, I read through it due to the fact that I was looking for a good digital piano/ controller for my daw, I need 88 weighted keys and was going to buy the sp250 but now ill wait till after namm, anyways, for under 699 there seemed to be no better deal than the sp250, roland had nothing to compete with it sound or keybed wise, the yamaha p85 and 95 were not even close in quality and casios didnt compare either, I cant wait to see what korg has coming for the sp250 replacement, guitar center confirmed that the 250 is discontinued, obviously it comes down to personal preference and mine put the rh3 way ahead of the competition, Id rather play on the sp250 than the xf8 or the fantom88 or my old tex88 all day long, but thats me and I dont own one korg product anymore.
Actually, the rh3 action was one of the huge selling points for me. I loved playing the sv1--just didnt love the sounds. Had they had a $2k "sv2" with the piano and organ engines from the Kronos, I wouldve easily bought it instead.
Roland is the only better keybed, IMO...and it's a little too sluggish, IMO, for sounds other than pianos. Mainly, it's superiority is the faux ivory finish.
But, next to the pc3x, motifxs, Casio privia, and Nord Piano? Rh3 all the way.
Of course keyboards are instruments...players have preferences-some guitarists like 7.25 Radias fretboards and some like 12" flat boards. Doesn't make one "better"...just what one prefers.
I enjoy playing my software pianos more with the rh3, too, over the old Kurz/fatar it replaced.
Like so many others here i have studied classical music for a long time and along with that i never stoped playing different keyboards from different brands. I'm not a fan of Korg, yamaha, roland, etc, just of good instruments and nice music.
At the conservatory any time i would change pianos i had to spend some time playing to be confortable with the action, i found that it was not different in keyboards. Honestly i dont mind having to adapt and i feel it even help's, it makes me study more,hehehehe. There are some report's about uneven space and milimetrical hight difference in the Rh3, my Kronos 73 is no exception in that, but i didn't found that to prejudice my playing, it's just an aestetical thing, shurely korg will fix it in the future. As for the action, quite gratifying after playing a for a few hours and as someone cleverly posted lets not forget that not everything on the Kronos is Piano sound... In my 3 day's experience i found it to be excelent for a fair amount of diferent technics with diferents engines.
I'm not a fanboy but i think Korg nailed it with the Kronos, amazing machine, as for the rh3 for me it isn't bad and i'm shure Korg will improve it, as always... By the way my kronos had a bad hardware malfuntion related with the Rh3, loool. That's life.
