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how to change boot image pa600

Post by Hendrik arranger »

Hi all...

Can I ask ...
How to change or replacing boot image pa600 like video this...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEm8f6u0cGw

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uciOMaVLiJ4

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsViANw6O6g


Anyone know how to replacing image like that?
I already find out thither . But no see...
Please share clue or the trick of change boot image pa600.

Thanks all :)
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Replacing anything in the system is illegal and will void your warranty or destroy your arranger.
In this forum you will not get answer to questions about hacked/modded/custom functions/OS/whatever which is not officially released by KORG.
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same

Post by Hendrik arranger »

Ooowhhhh...
I do not mean it...
I was not expecting to like it.

Evidently change the boot image illegal.
I think not illegal..

But... I see my friend wear os official 1.20. And him can change the boot image.
How is this possible?
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It IS illegal and will void your warranty as there is no way available to the user officially to access the internal files and so change the image or anything.
Unfortunately,even if some of us know how, we can't help you do this here.
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same

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Ok.
Thanks.
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Nice info.
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musiccankill wrote: .. it IS illegal and will void your warranty ..
Korg recommend only to use attachments/accessories specified by the manufacturer - nothing else. KORGs OS is copyright - also nothing else.

Using another OS is of your own risk, but I think it could not be illegal - why it should be?

If one with knowledge in software engeneering organize and make OS-software for Pa-Keyboards, it could not be restricted to use it with ones own keyboard.

Maybe one is capable to make a new version of the OS better than a new update of KORG - I would be glad to get that version, also would be glad to get detailled informations about structure/organization of that OS, to help with ideas how to better realize and finish it.

On my opinion similar OS is used in MEDELIs A1000, but with some different software sections. I think its is legal to use OS bought from and offered by someone like Deebach does!

PS: Different bootimages are eyecatchers only. It is more interesting to get better/expanded functionalities and features with a better made OS - since there would be a lot to do and there are lots of ideas.
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siebenhirter wrote:
musiccankill wrote: .. it IS illegal and will void your warranty ..
Korg recommend only to use attachments/accessories specified by the manufacturer - nothing else. KORGs OS is copyright - also nothing else.

Using another OS is of your own risk, but I think it could not be illegal - why it should be?

If one with knowledge in software engeneering organize and make OS-software for Pa-Keyboards, it could not be restricted to use it with ones own keyboard.

Maybe one is capable to make a new version of the OS better than a new update of KORG - I would be glad to get that version, also would be glad to get detailled informations about structure/organization of that OS, to help with ideas how to better realize and finish it.

On my opinion similar OS is used in MEDELIs A1000, but with some different software sections. I think its is legal to use OS bought from and offered by someone like Deebach does!

PS: Different bootimages are eyecatchers only. It is more interesting to get better/expanded functionalities and features with a better made OS - since there would be a lot to do and there are lots of ideas.
I think you do not know what needs to be done to change the bootscreen or anything inside!
Changing the boot image requires modifying the ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED OS!That alone makes it ILLEGAL!It is reverse engineering and it's not only illegal by law but also korg has a written denial of permission inside the user manual and the license agreement you click AGREE when you download it from www.korg.com!
If somebody wants to run custom (written from scratch) software into the KORG PA series, the only LEGAL way is to use JTAG (which may also be disabled, so no legal way at all).If somebody writes custom software and installs it through the INTRO 1 korg's copyrighted updater , he is voiding the license agreement and so he is illegal too!
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Post by aliersin »

Hello everyone.

From moment you bought your musical instrument, it is your property.
You can make any change you want to your instrument, you can erase KORG brand if you want and rename Yamaha....or Roland....or. Kurzweill...., you can drop it from the 10 level....
In other words....it's totally legal everything you make to your property.

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aliersin wrote:Hello everyone.

From moment you bought your musical instrument, it is your property.
You can make any change you want to your instrument, you can erase KORG brand if you want and rename Yamaha....or Roland....or. Kurzweill...., you can drop it from the 10 level....
In other words....it's totally legal everything you make to your property.

Best regards.
Sorry but i have to disagree with you!
Its ok to do whatever you want to the hardware side!Thats YOUR property.You don't buy the software,you get a LICENSE for the software so you do NOT own it!Thats on the legal side.
Now if you want to disassemble and hack the os of any machine for yourself and without uploading/making anything public by any means you are free to do as nobody knows.
If you make any info public you just gone to the illegal side.
Some people don't mind doing this, but this is KORG's forum hosted on KORG's servers ,if that makes sense.
I think this topic should be closed anyway...
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musiccankill wrote: .. I think you do not know what needs to be done to change the bootscreen or anything inside! !
This question I did not ask ..
musiccankill wrote: Changing the boot image requires modifying the ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED OS
Wheter was maintained to modify Original Copyrighted OS nor Reverse Engineering - do not know why to use such exaggerated designations.

Installing licensed software requires compliance of the license agreement - installing private or free software seems not to require them.
musiccankill wrote: .. the only LEGAL way is to use JTAG (which may also be disabled, so no legal way at all)
Purpose of JTAG procedure is to test functions of integrated circuits while they are already in their soldered hw-environment.
Using service-menue or NAND-formatting is not published, but seems to be legal.
musiccankill wrote:.. I think this topic should be closed anyway...
If you think so, why do you think often to find offering DEEBACH XMS-Pro (completely removes Korgs OS) in that forum?
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Hi Friends:

I must insist, Siebenhirter opinion is correct.-

It's neccesary to make a fundamental disctintion.- When you buy any product, you become an owner, so you can do anything with it; you can use it as is, you can modify it, and if you are a crazy man, you can destroy it.-
As an owner, you are free to do with that product anything you want, meanwhile you don't produce any damage to third people.-

Said this, when you buy a hardware or software, you can do with it what you want, instead you are the "only" user; if you modify one or both, what you "CAN'T" do is put it in commerce circuit without the permission from who is the author.- What is really ilegal is that you win anything with the effort of the person/s who puts his knowledge to develope the product.-

Another point it's warranty.- When you alter anyway a product or software, producer warranty is automatically finished.- But at last, you are free to run that risk.-

Just as an example, i dissasemble my PA600 and convert it in a powerfull sound module.- I ask you, is that ilegal ???? The only answer is no.- I'm the owner of my PA600 and i can do with it anything i want.-

Lots of people, modify (using free or pay ) opening screens or full advices and controls on (f. ex) MS Win SO.- That's not ilegal, meanwhile you don't pretend to sell that modified SO as if you were it's author.-

Lots of people, buy a car and later introduce in it hundres of modifications to get high performances or simply beauty.- That is also "not ilegal".-

There is no disctintion between licensed or free software, in both cases there is neccesary on author or developer, and him haves copywright.-

The illegal behaviour becomes when someone try to win money with the effort of other, just that.- When you modify any hardware or software for your own and exclusive use, you are not violating any law.- You run the risk that because of your modify product ends it live, and you can't ask seller or producer to solve you trouble: WARRANTY ENDS FOR EVER.

Finally, when you accept developer conditions in your "agreement", this is a deal between you and developer, avoiding you to do things that may cause risk to you or others, and puts the limit of the responsability of the producer developer or author.-

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Eduardo_Arg wrote:Hi Friends:

I must insist, Siebenhirter opinion is correct.-

It's neccesary to make a fundamental disctintion.- When you buy any product, you become an owner, so you can do anything with it; you can use it as is, you can modify it, and if you are a crazy man, you can destroy it.-
As an owner, you are free to do with that product anything you want, meanwhile you don't produce any damage to third people.-

Said this, when you buy a hardware or software, you can do with it what you want, instead you are the "only" user; if you modify one or both, what you "CAN'T" do is put it in commerce circuit without the permission from who is the author.- What is really ilegal is that you win anything with the effort of the person/s who puts his knowledge to develope the product.-

Another point it's warranty.- When you alter anyway a product or software, producer warranty is automatically finished.- But at last, you are free to run that risk.-

Just as an example, i dissasemble my PA600 and convert it in a powerfull sound module.- I ask you, is that ilegal ???? The only answer is no.- I'm the owner of my PA600 and i can do with it anything i want.-

Lots of people, modify (using free or pay ) opening screens or full advices and controls on (f. ex) MS Win SO.- That's not ilegal, meanwhile you don't pretend to sell that modified SO as if you were it's author.-

Lots of people, buy a car and later introduce in it hundres of modifications to get high performances or simply beauty.- That is also "not ilegal".-

There is no disctintion between licensed or free software, in both cases there is neccesary on author or developer, and him haves copywright.-

The illegal behaviour becomes when someone try to win money with the effort of other, just that.- When you modify any hardware or software for your own and exclusive use, you are not violating any law.- You run the risk that because of your modify product ends it live, and you can't ask seller or producer to solve you trouble: WARRANTY ENDS FOR EVER.

Finally, when you accept developer conditions in your "agreement", this is a deal between you and developer, avoiding you to do things that may cause risk to you or others, and puts the limit of the responsability of the producer developer or author.-

With regards.
Eduardo
Thats exactly what i was trying to tell on my posts...
Hacking it any way you like for yourself is legal till you do it public.Hardware hacks are not illegal except they introduce removing security or the license.
But its software is copyrighted and as said in the license agreement , you should not modify it or disassemble it in an means.Doing so sets you in the illegal side..If the license gives you permission to modify or anything then its ok (thats the part of GPL and korg's os isn't on that license (they have done some gpl violations though in their software too but who is going to go after them?nobody i guess...)).

Also Siebenhirter, i don't write all these to prove you wrong or go against you!I have no problem with any member in here, even more with the members that i have never talked with!I am telling this in public to apologize if i made you think something like that (or to prevent such misunderstandings)!
Also about the service menu you are telling about, in my opinion this way is legal as long as you don't use any copyrighted software to achieve your way in!
Also with JTAG you can do far more than debugging!Accessing onboard flash (read/write) which is the only way to write user written software without the use of copyrighted software is just one of them..!
Also XMS-pro doens't remove korg's os, it removes korg's resources!The systemupdate has been made from korg's team!Deebach only did the resources!
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Post by Nemik »

For all who wants improved Korg OS on own!

Stop asking here for modification.
Go to college, get Computer Programming degree, buy some software tools like Visual Studio and do yourself. :lol:
..or hire someone...
Korg OS is not super hard to crack, is just not cool and like musiccankill say illegal.
Korg OS is base on Linux Operation System, partly encrypted, is not contain any classic format graphics, but smart programmers can find where is image for boot screen. :lol:
Also entire system is cryptographic hashed means if you change anything will refuse initiation of file, unless you do necessary adjustment.
....GOOD LUCK....

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here on this forum we will NOT provide any help with this kind of modifications !!!!
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Post by musiccankill »

Thank you Nemik..!
Changing the image and all mods that have been done till now (at least the ones that i know) are not considered a crack..They are hacks only...
A crack would be running the pa4x os on pa900/3xle or break the copy protection of locked sets which, as far as i know , haven't been done..!
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